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1 posted on 09/25/2001 1:31:33 PM PDT by Doctor Freeze
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To: Doctor Freeze
Muslims, who also claim Abraham as their ancestor, consider it an equally important holy site, upon which stands the Dome of the Rock, a famous mosque. Currently, Israel is in an uneasy coexistence with several Muslim countries. We'd have World War III if they actually try to tear down the Dome of the Rock.
2 posted on 09/25/2001 1:38:21 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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According to Islamic belief the Dome of the Rock is built over the spot from which Mohammed ascended to heaven. Now the Israeli government does have military and political control over that spot. If, however, you are seeking to understand the radical Islamic position on this matter it is that the Israelis should ceed all of what was once Palestine icluding all of Israel to Muslim rule. all Jews should leave or be exterminated. The Israelis do not wish to do this.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

4 posted on 09/25/2001 1:45:00 PM PDT by harpseal
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why doesn't Israel make it priority number one to retake the Temple Mount?

Good idea. While we're at it, let's help the IRA assasinate Queen Elizabeth, and then ask the British to help us with our little Osama problem.

8 posted on 09/25/2001 1:49:49 PM PDT by Romulus
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Stay tuned -- the King of Israel will take it for sure.
11 posted on 09/25/2001 1:52:12 PM PDT by WalterSkinner
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A strictly observant Jew would never set foot on Temple Mount for fear that they would inadvertently trespass on the site of the original Holy of Holies, the site in the first temple where the Ark of the Covenant was kept and where only specially chosen Priests were allowed to attend. As for Muslims, they believe that the same spot where Abraham was to sacrifice Isaac is where Mohammed ascended into heaven.
12 posted on 09/25/2001 1:53:07 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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Israel did take the Temple Mount on June 7, 1967, 1335 years to the day after Mohammed's death. However, 10 days later, on the Sabbath, Moshe Dayan gave the Arabs back, defacto control of the site. While the PA currently performs as 'the management', this is an arrangement made with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

TREATY OF PEACE BETWEEN THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND THE HASHEMITE KINGDOM OF JORDAN
October 26, 1994

>>>ARTICLE 9

PLACES OF HISTORICAL AND RELIGIOUS SIGNIFICANCE

1. Each party will provide freedom of access to places of religious and historical significance.

2. In this regard, in accordance with the Washington Declaration, Israel respects the present special role of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in Muslim Holy shrines in Jerusalem. When negotiations on the permanent status will take place, Israel will give high priority to the Jordanian historic role in these shrines.

3. The Parties will act together to promote interfaith relations among the three monotheistic religions, with the aim of working towards religious understanding, moral commitment, freedom of religious worship, and tolerance and peace.

Dan 8:23

14 posted on 09/25/2001 1:56:11 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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Somebody here came up with (IMHO) some dandy ideas:

First, we saturate that big black rock in Mecca with pig's blood.

Then we scrub the temple mount down to bare rock, so that no evidence of the Mosque remains. The "ruins" are then strewn with the carcasses of dogs and pigs.

I figure every "extremist" will die of a brain embolism when we do this. All the moderates will then become extremists, and we know how to deal with extremists...

--Boris

16 posted on 09/25/2001 1:59:55 PM PDT by boris
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To: Doctor Freeze
That is one of those "Emperor Does Too Have Clothes" types of questions; Never expected to be asked. Like this one:

What do you suppose would be the result if a deranged Protestant with a planeful of fuel crashed into and destroyed the kaaba?

17 posted on 09/25/2001 2:00:58 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Doctor Freeze
A new Temple will be built when the time is right. Maybe when Russia and the entire moslem world is destroyed during the battle of Gog and Magog Israel will be free to build the Temple.
18 posted on 09/25/2001 2:04:51 PM PDT by marbren
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Currently Impossible!
Jehovah-God will NOT permit it because the 70th week of Israel's Prophet Daniel has not begun!
Israel MUST have permission to do so by the Goys.(and they won't give it)
(Israel will NOT truly 'possess' the LAND (Eratz Yisrael) until AFTER the conclusion of 'The Times of Gentiles' (re:Daniel's Israeli Prophecy) is brought to its END by the personal intervention and Davidic/Messianic Reign of Jesus beginning a 1,000 years of fulfilled promises to the 'fathers' by God's Promises!
Jehovah is NOT 'mocked' by either Israel or the Gentiles!!!
Jehovah-God is in control, yet permits mankinds' 'folly' to be contrasted with His Wisdom!
Purpose? To rebuke unto REPENTANCE and TRUST in Saviour-Jesus!
22 posted on 09/25/2001 2:32:55 PM PDT by maestro
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On Oct. 4th 2001 the laying and annointing two cornerstones for the Thrid Temple during the Feast of Tabernacles. The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful

God Bless

23 posted on 09/25/2001 3:01:32 PM PDT by LLMiller
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To: Doctor Freeze
They would be invaded from all angles by Islamic nations.
25 posted on 09/25/2001 3:10:09 PM PDT by Petronski
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33 posted on 09/25/2001 10:35:43 PM PDT by klpt
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To: Doctor Freeze
1. According to Islam, Mohammed ascended to heaven from the rock (remains from the earlier Temples) on the Temple Mount around which the mosque is built. It is the third holiest site in Islam.

2. I believe that Jews cannot step foot on the Temple Mount for fear of stepping on the "Holy of Holies," (Kadosh haKadosh) i.e., the inner-most sanctuary where the Ark of Covenant rested and where only the high priests were allowed to venture under strict commands and conditions on Yom Kippur (ironically, Yom Kippur starts at sundown tomorrow).

3. If I recall properly, this is *NOT* where Abraham was instructed to sacrifice Isaac (but I could be wrong).

34 posted on 09/25/2001 10:36:23 PM PDT by wayne_shrugged
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I have two points:

First, the Dome of Rock is not a Mosque. It is a shrine. It was built in the late 7th century, shortly after the Arabs took the Holy Land from the Byzantine empire. At the time, the Byzantines were using the Temple Mount as a garbage dump. The Arabs rightly found this appauling and forced the local rulers to clean it up. They then built the Dome out of respect for the site, which they revered because it was the site of the ancient temple, but they did not yet come to believe it to be the spot from which Mohammed ascended to heaven. It took another century or so for that belief to develop.

My second point is addressed to my fellow Christians who support Israel demolishing the Dome of Rock and renewing the Levitical sacrifices. Have you, brother and sisters, ever read the book of Hebrews? The sacrifice of Our Lord on the Cross suppercedes all Old Testament sacrifices and makes them useless. This is not only explicitly clear in Hebrews, but it is also the universal teaching of all the Church Fathers since time immemorial. Therefore, I believe your desire to see the temple rebuilt is quite misplaced, and perhaps based on a misreading of some of the apocalyptic sections of the Bible.

53 posted on 09/26/2001 9:08:12 AM PDT by traditionalist
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Re: Why doesn’t Israel make it priority number one to retake the Temple Mount?

Gershon Salomon, head of the Temple Mount Faithful, gave some wonderful informational talks in the U.S. last month and it was clear he is sincere in following God’s leading in all they do. For those associated with the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, regaining the Temple Mount is a priority, but they have to work with the Israeli government officials whose opinions are more cautious. The Temple Mount Faithful have the cornerstones and are making the utensils, etc., necessary for the temple worship/sacrifice according to Jewish customs. Last July they took the cornerstone up and it caused quite a ruckus. They plan to do so again in October.

On Aug. 21, 2001, our local newspaper carried an AP article by Yaov Appel entitled "Disputed holy site in danger of collapse". It went on to say that a section of the stone retaining wall near the Al-Aqsa Mosque (Dome of the Rock) is in danger of collapse. The Israelis and Palestinians blame each other for the 35’ wide bulge in the wall and that despite warnings the wall could cave in; fingerpointing is holding up repairs (nutshell version). In his talk, Mr. Salomon, who, by the way, has an incredible account of God’s intervention in his own life, commented on this report calling it "…a great wonderful danger. They are afraid of an Apocalyptic event!" Mr. Salomon seems to thoroughly rely upon God’s intervention in the Mosque matter and believes it exists on the site of the Temple to challenge the Jewish people. Would that I could have this outlook on all my obstacles in life!

Why build the temple only on this site? Isn’t it amazing that the focus of the world is Israel, the focus of Israel is Jerusalem, and the focus of Jerusalem is the Temple Mount (Sherlock Bally) ? According to the Zondervan Pictorial Dictionary, "…three temples stood successively on Mr. Moriah (IIChron. 3:1) in Jerusalem" (the Temple Mount). Mr. Salomon numerous times referred to "Jerusalem, the holy city of God", and "the holy hill" (temple site) . It is my understanding that people of the Jewish faith believe that even though the temple is not there (except for the remains underground that the Palestinians are currently destroying), God’s presence never left the site, which helps me to better understand the importance of the Wailing Wall. I Kings 9:3 states, "And the Lord said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually."

Now for the fun part! Amos 9:11 reads: "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof;…." . Literally taken it says that in whatever timing God chooses, David’s tabernacle (or tent) (I have read elsewhere it was made of skins, possibly draped over rock walls), will be (found and) raised up - and it sounds like God is planning to miraculously repair the damage to it that time has caused. In that case, temple worship could begin in just a few hours, not a longer period of time one would assume it would take to actually build a temple (which I would assume would still take place later). Personally, I like the idea that this will be one of God’s miracles as we get closer to what appears to be the nearing end of the Church Age, as world events get stranger, rather than looking for a symbolic meaning in a passage that seems to have a literal meaning. (Thanks to J. R. Church, and the Zondervan Prophecy Study Bible edited by Grant Jeffrey for this understanding).

60 posted on 09/26/2001 3:22:22 PM PDT by ready to fly
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Very interesting post! Good question!! .........bttt
65 posted on 09/27/2001 6:57:58 PM PDT by maestro
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Comments?
67 posted on 10/01/2001 8:56:49 PM PDT by maestro
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Probably the more foundational answer is that it's not God's time yet.

The mount has to figure in significantly in end time events. God seems to like cliff-hanger endings and lots of creative surprises that give Him Glory.

Certainly God has laid claim to that rather precious piece of real estate in behalf of His chosen ones who basically are thanks to Abraham for being such a good friend. Certainly God is well able to take possession in more overt ways any time He chooses.

I suspect He'll choose to do so in a dramatic way at some point in the not toooo distant future--certainly in our lifetimes and perhaps before too many more hours for all I know.

75 posted on 03/30/2002 6:01:27 AM PST by Quix
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Doesn't the Ten Commandments forbid stealing other people's properties? I am glad the Israelis are observing the law at least in this case.
77 posted on 03/30/2002 6:38:17 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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