Posted on 09/06/2025 1:13:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Long before the Overton window was a thing, Orwell described the same construct in “1984“. Making the unthinkable acceptable.
“Key to achieving this goal is by throwing ideas out there that are seemingly outlandish, getting the wider population to discuss them, and thereby prepare the ground for the broader population to eventually accept policies that were once deemed outrageous.“
Yeah, until you’re hard on a redline like a family court judge ordering a child handed over to a mother who wants to oversee the chopping off of his peepee…
The window is being changed not closed.
But Overton seems to explore the idea in more detail whereas Orwell incorporated this in his bigger story.
I buy it.
It’s at least to a large degree relevant to how things really work.
Many of these concepts are on a sliding scale depending on the issue and not all or nothing.
Agreed. Overton just coined to phrase that I think was widely known and understood within sociology and psychology circles for a long time.
Hell, Joseph goebbles used to talk about what most would consider the overton window all the time during the third Reich in the 1930s
When people have been trained to advocate obvious falsehoods through coercion, it is easier to coerce them to go along with obviously bad policy.
Yes.
Thank you. If it’s being shut at all, it’s being shut on the Left’s insane ideas.
How about the window of no property tax.
Yes
Liberal use the hegelian dialectic, not the Overton Window.
They try to deny it by saying its the Overton Window, and if you dont like our out-there ideas, you’re closing the window.
Overton window as they describe it is just stealth hegelian dialectic. Because as part of tht, one side is always demonized and fought against. This is illustrated by if you dont like the ideas you’re “closing the window.”
So the libsoc media declares no ideas are bad except those by those who aren’t us and may even oppose us.
How Orwellian of them.
This is the secret of propaganda: Those who are to be persuaded by it should be completely immersed in the ideas of the propaganda, without ever noticing that they are being immersed in it.
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself
I would say that the left did not persuade anyone like the Overton model, they enforced, cancelled, threatened, and punished anyone for wrong think. Big difference.
Some people seem to have a religious fervor for the Overton Window. It is odd. How did the world get along without it?
Well said.
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I wonder if a liberal once learning the Hegelian dialectic process starts applying to everything and thus thinks they are smart or somehow have cracked the code, finding a way to foist "progressive" ideas on others who don't know better.
In reality these liberal/leftist/democrats just become useful idiots for Marxists.
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