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We Used to Think the Military Would Stand Up to Trump. We Were Wrong.
NYT ^ | 08 13 2025 | Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson

Posted on 08/13/2025 7:30:01 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

By ordering 800 National Guard troops to Washington, on the pretext of an illusory crime wave, President Trump has further dragged the U.S. military into domestic law enforcement, in a move credibly perceived as an ominous “test case.” This continues what the administration started in California in June as part of the its deportation efforts.

Unfortunately, though we (and others) had hoped that the military would only respond to calls to action in American cities and states kicking and screaming, we no longer expect resistance from that institution. Once, perhaps, traditionalist officers might have leaned on protocol and refused to heed a lawless order, taking inspiration from the generals — Mark Milley and James Mattis — who resisted the uprooting of established military standards in the first Trump term.

But today, general officers no longer seem to see themselves as guardians of the constitutional order.

It now seems clear to us that the military will not rescue Americans from Mr. Trump’s misuse of the nation’s military capabilities. Recent changes to the terms of the military’s employment by the Pentagon and its members’ incentives to career advancement will ultimately overcome any constitutional and moral qualms about their conduct.

Democratic civilian control and the apolitical professionalism of military officers have long been bulwarks against authoritarianism. This framework proved stable through the 20th century, even when tested by the Vietnam War, in significant part because American presidents and their civilian advisers could be trusted not to imperil the political integrity of the Republic.

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To: Political Junkie Too

Yep. 100%.
Their whining is an admission


61 posted on 08/14/2025 2:22:32 AM PDT by Palio di Siena (Kralik…..you get the wallet)
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To: yesthatjallen

The Hitler accusation evidently has played out, so now the new accusation is “authoritarianism” which rears its ugly head, according to these idiots, everytime Trump implements his agenda. That is an accusation based on action, no less. No other president in our country’s history has ever done such an evil thing, actually implementing his agenda. Now, when Biden broke a thousand Federal laws, including importing twelve million illegals into the country, that is not authoritarianism.


62 posted on 08/14/2025 2:27:33 AM PDT by odawg
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To: yesthatjallen

That’s because as rodents you know nothing about America’s military.


63 posted on 08/14/2025 2:34:22 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Freedom is never free. It must be won rewon and jealously guarded.)
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To: Jumper

Well, I was a SSGT, so I was taught the rules.
I never had to fight in “hot” war.
I would have done my duty.
Ordered to take a hill I would have
executed that order.
I will not tell you which service I was in.
But I was crawling over Nukes when
I was 18 years old.


64 posted on 08/14/2025 2:43:37 AM PDT by rellic (No such thing as a moderate Moslem or Democrat )
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To: rellic
I guarantee you if Trump was doing wrong the military would not follow.

The military certainly followed a criminal mandate to push the Covid jab among its members, in complete violation of the Nuremberg Code.

Those with the moral core you allude to here have already been pushed out of the military.

65 posted on 08/14/2025 2:46:06 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("Justice exalteth a nation: but sin maketh nations miserable." – Proverbs 14:34)
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To: yesthatjallen

“illusory crime wave”

Ever since the BLM riots and Soros DAs imposed decriminalization “reforms” crime has sky rocketed. The crime stats are fake.


66 posted on 08/14/2025 2:52:51 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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To: FamiliarFace

Exactly lol. Im not sure these folks have any idea how the govt is supposed to work.


67 posted on 08/14/2025 3:10:34 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: Captain Walker

That was a medical issue, not a war fighting one.
I was ordered to get shots I got them.
Had I been ordered to shoot unarmed people
I’m not sure I would do that.


68 posted on 08/14/2025 3:17:51 AM PDT by rellic (No such thing as a moderate Moslem or Democrat )
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To: yesthatjallen

Ten bucks says that Stephen and Jonathan live in New Canaan,CT or Alpine,NJ.


69 posted on 08/14/2025 3:34:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Import The Third World,Become The Third World)
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To: yesthatjallen

DC is a federal enclave. Not a state or country.


70 posted on 08/14/2025 3:43:13 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: yesthatjallen

And in CA they were protecting the ICE facility, a federal building, while the city hall street had 5 cars burning on it.


71 posted on 08/14/2025 3:45:11 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: yesthatjallen

Extremely dumb ass article. We used to have safe cities and patriotic Americans but Obama and the left destroyed that and America needs troops in the cities to help quelch the crime and riots of leftist lunatic.


72 posted on 08/14/2025 3:51:01 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: yesthatjallen

IOW, the authors are Deep State.


73 posted on 08/14/2025 3:53:56 AM PDT by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away!)
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To: yesthatjallen

What are the authors advocating, a military coup?


74 posted on 08/14/2025 3:53:56 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: yesthatjallen

The hallmark of opposition to Trump has always been hysteria.


75 posted on 08/14/2025 3:55:02 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: yesthatjallen
"It now seems clear to us that the military will not rescue Americans from Mr. Trump’s misuse of the nation’s military capabilities."

But everything was fine when troops, fencing, and concertina wire were laid around DC around January 20, 2020, right?

76 posted on 08/14/2025 4:34:14 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: yesthatjallen

This guy is a moron..🙄


77 posted on 08/14/2025 4:42:56 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: yesthatjallen
NYT ??

"We Used to Think the Military Would Stand Up to With Trump"

78 posted on 08/14/2025 4:46:10 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: rellic
I was ordered to get shots I got them. Had I been ordered to shoot unarmed people I’m not sure I would do that.

We certainly hope you wouldn't.

But you have, in fact, already obeyed at least one unlawful order; it appears as if this was only at risk only to your own life.

79 posted on 08/14/2025 4:51:51 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("Justice exalteth a nation: but sin maketh nations miserable." – Proverbs 14:34)
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To: yesthatjallen
Opinion | Why Gun Control Is Now a Matter of National Security (04/22/2021)
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/04/22/why-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-national-security-484323

2 gun grabbing pukes. Blind Academics. Pure idiots.

Steven Simon, an international relations professor at Colby College, served on the National Security Council during the Clinton and Obama administrations, including as senior director for counterterrorism.

Jonathan Stevenson, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies and managing editor of Survival, served on the NSC as director for political-military affairs, Middle East and North Africa, from 2011 to 2013.

80 posted on 08/14/2025 4:56:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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