Posted on 06/23/2025 1:59:27 AM PDT by Cronos
.. every objective metric, support for trans rights is worse now than it was six or seven years ago. And that’s not isolated to just trans issues. I think if you look across issues of gender right now, you have seen a regression. Marriage equality support is actually lower now than it was a couple of years ago in a recent poll.
support that we saw for trans rights in 2016, 2017 — it was a mirage of support in some ways. Because I think, in the postmarriage world, there was a transfer of support from the L.G.B. to the T. for two reasons.
One, I think people said: Well, the T. is part of the acronym. I support gay people, so I’ll support trans people — it’s all the same movement. Two, I think in those early days after marriage, a lot of people regretted having been wrong on marriage in the 1990s and 2000s. And they said: I didn’t understand what it meant to be gay, and therefore I didn’t support marriage, and I regret not supporting something because I didn’t understand it. So I’m going to, without understanding, support trans rights because I don’t want to make that same mistake again.
I think that resulted in a lot of us — a lot of our movement — stopping the conversation and ceasing doing the hard work of opening hearts and changing minds and telling stories that over 20 years had shifted and deepened understanding on gay identities that allowed for marriage equality to be built on solid ground.
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This entire t situation made me against homer seksual marriage too
Liberalism is rooted in self. Transgenderism is the culmination, but probably not the ultimate culmination, in self identity at the expense of society.
It’s paganism, because every man can be his own god.
to paraphrase pink floyd
groomer, leave the kids alone
Exactly.
Let's just call the whole thing off.
Good morning btw. I feel so much better after that power dump. ;)
How about the simplicity of there’s no such thing as a trans. It’s a physical and biological impossibility.
Pretty simple.
Tran sexuals have been around for a long. time. They lived in their colonies in Provincetown and Key West. Nobody bothered them. Once gay marriage was legalized by the SCOTUS, the T was the next item on the gay agenda. Overnight, it was T this and T that. The T repulsed people with their militancy, gay drag shows and boys in girls sports.
Drag queens are not really trans. It’s an act. They still consider themselves to be men. It totally defies the whole “born this way” argument.
I would like to know who thought gay drag queens reading stories to kids and sexualized gay drag shows were a good idea. As Ben Stein once said, the left hates kids.
Normalizing evil
Think back twenty-five years and try to recall how many people you met, dealt with or read about who lived entirely in a world of their own construction. Yes, there were cross dressers, but they wouldn’t have dreamed of having story hour at the library and grooming children. They knew what they were doing was only marginally acceptable at best and they acted as if they understood that. So, what’s changed?
Targeted advertising and social feeds. Click on tires and you’ll suddenly believe that fifty percent of the items on sale are tires. Click on a trans article and suddenly you’ll believe that trans is the only thing people are talking about. That will change your perception of reality. Suddenly, the most perverse thing you could think about, castrating children, seems completely normal. EVERYONE is talking about it. That makes it normal.
I think social media targeting is leading people into narrower and narrower social spaces. Queers for Palestine, for God’s sake. We’re all going to die from Global warming. Electric vehicles will soon be the only form of transport.
Somehow, we’ve got to undo this mess. I have no idea how we’d even start.
Drag is similar to black face. The performers dress and act in exaggerated ways. Not much different than how black face performers did.
The Western countries should banish all its homosexuals to Iran.
Then Tehran would become the homosexual capital of the world. A win/win.
I agree with you both: the cross-dressers and drag queens have always been around, and no one much cares as long as it's just their kink, or hobby, and they practice it without messing with kids, or insisting that we all accept them into women's private areas. But this new breed of tranny, who wants to medically, surgically alter themselves, and children, and enter women's spaces... absolutely vile.
The big mistake the Ts made was to frighten parents. I recall a T being interviewed saying “We’re coming for your kids”. That galvanized opposition. Allowing boys to compete in girls sports is just so wrong. Almost anyone can see it.
Know when you started to lose trannies and gays?
When you let the twisted members of your group go after the kids.
You’re not coming back from that.
Interesting thoughts.
You don’t think you can combine classic liberalism (maximization of freedom) with social responsibility?
What about the idea that I have all the freedom in the world, until “I swing my fists and they touch another mans nose?”
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/15/liberty-fist-nose/
Maximization of freedom without infringing on other peoples rights.
Is that not a noble cause?
Is strict adherence to some dentological doctrine, of which there are many flavors, and they have changed substantially over the millennia (through interpretation / adding and omission), been responsible for some of the bloodiest wars in Western culture, really the more noble approach?
Who does that serve other than some institution and it’s leadership? Is that really what’s best for the people? A Western theocracy, back to the middle ages? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)
dark ages
The idea of social responsibility works against classic liberalism, because it is inherent in the idea of social responsibility that people must be forced, otherwise they won’t do it.
The problem with legislating it is that it is open for abuse. Look at the billionaires, for example. They talk about creating foundations for charitable purposes, but all that happens is they create these foundations so they government cannot tax the funds and they just give to each other to meet the requirements of giving away 5%, while they use the other 95% to continue to buy up the world.
I’ve personally given away over $200,000 out of modest income, out of pocket. I didn’t need government to do that for me. If I could have lived over again, I probably have not done that, but rather invest as best as I can and give the income away. I probably would have ended up giving more away doing it that way.
When you force people to live out your purpose, you steal away their ability to live their purpose. It’s just thievery when you use governments to decide for you on how to be charitable.
Also, who decides. The 20th century was all about using the government for noble causes. In that century, the governments murdered 250 million people, started the majority of major wars and ended the life of over 2 billion unborn children and enslaved over a billion people.
The 20th century ought to have ended the idea that you force people into any form of goodness.
Man, that's the kind of person who needs to go straight to the bottom of the ocean.
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