Posted on 06/17/2025 11:20:00 AM PDT by RandFan
President Donald Trump on Tuesday warned Iranian leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that he is an “easy target” and “our patience is wearing thin,” before demanding Tehran surrender in its conflict against Israel.
“We know exactly where the so-called ‘Supreme Leader’ is hiding,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
“He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now,” he wrote after declaring “total control” over Iran’s airspace.
“But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin.”
Trump in a subsequent post made clear what he does want from Iran: “UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!”
The threat from the U.S. president came two days after news outlets reported that Trump vetoed a plan by Israel to assassinate the ayatollah.
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Pat Buchanan said that toppling Saddam would be breaking a hornet's nest. Saddam had kept things in check. We had only one person to deal with. Afterwards, chaos.
Ditto toppling Gadaffi. He kept Libya in check, and barred migrants from crossing into Europe.
Toppling Saddam and Gaddaffi and Assad might have been in Israel's interest. I don't know. But they weren't in America's or Europe's.
Regime change and/or boots on the ground is Neoliberal Obama and Neocon Bush/Cheney territory.
I don’t Think Trump will topple anyone, but he will topple the nuke plant.
100% CLEAR mission.
With a 100% goal of WINNING.
No riducuolous ROE.. They shooting at us! Ya, but they are Hiding in a mosque, school, hospital, behind an endager species of tree.. so don’t shoot back and just take it.
Britan completely screwed up the ME by redrawing the map after WWI..
Partition Iran/ Iraq into smaller clan/ ethnic enclaves.
I Think Persians could EASILY be a peaceful, Western, highly educated nation without the theocracy.
Hope FRiends dont swallow it but some will go along with it
Breathing at all is a condition.
Because the products of that facility could easily be put in a shipping container and delivered anywhere in the US, as we've just seen with Israeli and Ukrainian drones.
If Iran had a moderate democratic government, I wouldn't care. But it's governed by messianic homicidal maniacs who have been killing Americans since 1979.
Maybe. Consider Hollywood.
Unconditional surrender does not necessarily mean regime change, but it could include it.
What would Shia Iran run instead by London/Wall Street, the WEF, the CIA/MI6 etc... look like?
The answer would be - it would be a country in total chaos.
Which is very likely the goal.
I asked Grok.ai this question:
the CIA is well known as having overthrown the government of Iran in 1953 or there abouts because the government or the elected official was a communist. is this true?
grok.ai’s answer
Yes, it’s true that the CIA, along with British intelligence (MI6), orchestrated a coup in Iran in 1953, known as Operation Ajax, which overthrew the government of Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh. However, the claim that Mossadegh was a communist is not accurate and oversimplifies the situation.
Mossadegh was a nationalist leader who championed the nationalization of Iran’s oil industry, particularly targeting the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP), which was under British control. This move threatened Western economic interests, especially those of the UK and the US, who feared losing access to Iran’s oil and saw Mossadegh’s policies as destabilizing to their geopolitical influence in the region. While Mossadegh was not a communist, he did accept support from the Tudeh Party, Iran’s communist-leaning political group, which alarmed the US and UK during the Cold War era when containing communism was a priority.
The CIA and MI6 exploited these fears, spreading propaganda that painted Mossadegh as a communist sympathizer to justify the coup. In reality, the primary motivation was to secure Western control over Iran’s oil and maintain a pro-Western government under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Declassified documents, including a 2013 CIA report, confirm the agency’s role in the coup, detailing how they bribed officials, organized protests, and manipulated media to destabilize Mossadegh’s government.
So, while the coup happened and was driven by Western interests, the “communist” label for Mossadegh was largely a pretext used to rally support for the operation.
And they still lost.
And, more importantly, there was no "forever war".
You won’t learn that in history class
The Persians can rule themselves they are the majority.
Unconditional surrender implies a lot of things we probably don’t want to do…occupation, nation building, etc…all the things we did with Germany and Japan but are impractical now. Plus those two countries didn’t have terrorists embedded all over the world, terrorists who probably aren’t going to recognize western niceties like articles of surrender and cooperation agreements.
The point is they fought longer and harder with that ultimatum. Costing many, many lives.
There is no proof that a conditional surrender would have allowed the Nazis or The Japnese Empire to have resurged.
What it would have done is save a million lives+.
“ The demand for unconditional surrender united Axis military leaders and populations in a desperate, all-or-nothing struggle. Generals like Rommel, Guderian, Model, Kuribayashi, and others fought with heightened intensity, knowing that defeat meant total loss of their regimes and ways of life. This policy, while achieving the Allies’ goal of complete victory, extended the war’s duration and increased its human cost by eliminating any middle ground for peace. “
What I’ve been saying for the gazans:
Unconditional Surrender.
Israel isn’t calling for that for iran.
Trump is.
Interesting.
“Home before the leaves fall” - Wilhelm II
both the persians and the gulf arabs nationalized the oil companies 20 years later in the 1970’s.
This war isn’t about “nuke facikities”. It’s obviously about regime change.
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