Trump Taps Palantir to Create Database on Americans

NY Times ^ | May 30, 2025 | Sheera Frenkel and Aaron Krolik

[DoodleBob]

In March, President Donald Trump signed an executive order calling for the federal government to share data across agencies, raising questions over whether he might compile a master list of personal information on Americans that could give him untold surveillance power.

Trump has not publicly talked about the effort since. But behind the scenes, officials have quietly put technological building blocks into place to enable his plan. In particular, they have turned to one company: Palantir, the data analysis and technology firm.

The Trump administration has expanded Palantir’s work across the federal government in recent months. The company has received more than $113 million in federal government spending since Trump took office, according to public records, including additional funds from existing contracts as well as new contracts with the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon. (This does not include a $795 million contract that the Department of Defense awarded the company last week, which has not been spent.)

Representatives of Palantir are also speaking to at least two other agencies — the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service — about buying its technology, according to six government officials and Palantir employees with knowledge of the discussions.

The push has put a key Palantir product called Foundry into at least four federal agencies, including DHS and the Health and Human Services Department. Widely adopting Foundry, which organizes and analyzes data, paves the way for Trump to easily merge information from different agencies, the government officials said.

Creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream. The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims and any disability status.

[JayGalt]

It’s all about the spin. Eligibility for medicare & disability requires that information. The Gvt already has your bank account routing info from payments & refunds related to IRS & SS. Anyone who belives they have no digital footprint is fooling themselves.

[Carry_Okie]

Trump is probably undoing a lot of fraud, but at the same time we are racing towards a highly organized and regimented society. Also a complete stripping away of any privacy.

This gets back to the ol' go to church once a week thingy. The reason for these databases is that so many Americans are defrauding the taxpayers.

[Openurmind]

“Don’t they already have a data base called Social security number.”

Are you kidding? This will be an AI driven database collecting every little aspect of your life. Where you shop, how high you set your thermostat, how fast you drive, who you associate with, what your online interests are, access to your bank accounts and all purchase records, to rate your social credit score, Etc...

This will be to micromanage and control your very existence. That is not just your “Social Security number”. This is Chinese style surveillance and control here... This is enslavement.

[Sacajaweau]

NYT.........nuff said

[Openurmind]

Anyone who even thinks this is OK is an absolute total idiot. I cannot believe that so many are so willing to give up all their privacy, freedoms, and sell their soul just because “Trump”. Better yet, let the government and a private corporation enslave their Grandchildren. It is mass radical extremist cultism at it’s best.

WAKE UP! IN NO WAY SHOULD THIS BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN!!! Just wait until the Democrats get their turn to use it!!!

[Openurmind]

“It’s fine to have a surveillance state that has the ability to monitor every thought and action of its people, and has the unchecked ability to send armed thugs without any identifying information out to arrest people without any judicial oversight and do with them whatever they damn well please. Nothing bad can possibly ever come from this.”

Yes it is absolutely great! Because it is coming from the unquestioned God Trump! This cult has officially gone insane. Trump says jump off a cliff and they jump off a cliff without question. And if you hesitate and question the action they will grab you and throw you over against your will. I have honestly never seen anything like this level of irrationality.

I love Trump, but not EVERYTHING he does is right, and some stuff just should not be done period by ANYONE in office! There are LINES THAT SHOULD NOT BE CROSSED! And this is one of them right here!

[Bratch]

New York Times Suddenly Concerned About Palantir Data Compilation and Building of Surveillance State

May 30, 2025 | Sundance

The New York Times (think DHS embeds) are not concerned about the building of a surveillance state using cross-reference artificial intelligence systems into various government agencies; no, the New York Times (think DHS embeds) are concerned it is President Trump triggering the building of the process, and the parameters therein.

I have outlined this seemingly inevitable construct with great granular detail, that is creating the surveillance state for almost a year. Culminating in a December 2024 recap [SEE HERE] along with my position in January of this year [SEE HERE].  I do not like it, but I understand the arguments behind it.

[New York Times] – In March, President Trump signed an executive order calling for the federal government to share data across agencies, raising questions over whether he might compile a master list of personal information on Americans that could give him untold surveillance power.

Mr. Trump has not publicly talked about the effort since. But behind the scenes, officials have quietly put technological building blocks into place to enable his plan. In particular, they have turned to one company: Palantir, the data analysis and technology firm.

The Trump administration has expanded Palantir’s work across the federal government in recent months. The company has received more than $113 million in federal government spending since Mr. Trump took office, according to public records, including additional funds from existing contracts as well as new contracts with the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon. (This does not include a $795 million contract that the Department of Defense awarded the company last week, which has not been spent.)

Representatives of Palantir are also speaking to at least two other agencies — the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service — about buying its technology, according to six government officials and Palantir employees with knowledge of the discussions.

The push has put a key Palantir product called Foundry into at least four federal agencies, including D.H.S. and the Health and Human Services Department. Widely adopting Foundry, which organizes and analyzes data, paves the way for Mr. Trump to easily merge information from different agencies, the government officials said.

Creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream. The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases.

[…] Palantir’s selection as a chief vendor for the project was driven by Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, according to the government officials. At least three DOGE members formerly worked at Palantir, while two others had worked at companies funded by Peter Thiel, an investor and a founder of Palantir. (read more)

Every element of the U.S. surveillance state is contingent upon selling the ‘security’ message.  With a comprehensive and interconnected database of identity for all Americans:

• it makes illegal alien captures and deportations more efficient;

• it makes eliminating fraud and abuse in the entitlement programs more substantial;

• it can make voting more secure, and

• it could protect the identity of Americans from theft and exploitation.

Peter Thiel (Palantir), Elon Musk (xAI, SpaceX), Larry Ellison (Oracle), David Sacks and a host of mutually aligned artificial intelligence builders stand to benefit financially from a technologically efficient Surveillance State. Their companies and their AI software products are the targeting tools within the DHS surveillance system itself.

Do not be misled by their ownership of different companies within this construct, they are all mutually allied; factually, they are all friends in the same tech sector.

The tools created by Palantir et al, are multifunctional. They can be used by the Pentagon and CIA for military application, and they can be used by DNI, DHS, FBI and TSA for domestic application.

Just as the Patriot Act redefined “terror threats” to begin sweeping 360 degrees, so too are the tools of the surveillance state designed for both foreign and domestic application.

There is no way to avoid being the target of a weapon once that weapon is created. However, unlike the mutually assured destruction within the nuclear analogy, there will be no threat of mutual application within the surveillance bomb.  There are going to be castes or tiers of people not subjected to the outcome of detonation; therein lies my biggest point against it.

There are going to be tiers of people who are not subjected to the rules of the Surveillance State. There are going to be tiers of people, powerful, influential, some intensely rich people, to whom the application of the surveillance does not exist.

I have already seen this ‘tiered’ system starting to come into place. I have witnessed firsthand the outcomes of the software being deployed within the design of their building.  I have witnessed real identities masked by the system as an outcome of their status. Facial recognition programs that black out search results based on arbitrary definitions and determinations of those who control the surveillance application.

Inside the surveillance system, supported by the policy team behind President Trump, there will be classes of people. Just as we defined “essential workers” within the COVID-19 pandemic. This essential group will be classed based on their administrative value to the government operators who control the mechanics of outcomes; perhaps “essential administrators.” This is a natural outcome of the mindset behind “continuity of government,” the baseline for the Patriot Act creation.

I have traveled throughout the East and West to gain perspective on what makes us different; what makes Americans different.  What I can assert with clarity is that if we lose the Liberty argument then the ideological representatives behind Barack Obama will have succeeded, the fundamental transformation will be irreversible.

While the Declaration of Independence is long regarded as the greatest written declaration of purpose, the latter created Bill of Rights, the first Ten original amendments to the U.S. Constitution, is just as important. The first declared our intent; the second defined how our founders intended to retain the intent during our collective assembly. Together they outline what set the course to make America great.

This frames the cornerstone of my viewpoints on all of the characters in politics.  It is not a matter of debate that on these core issues of Liberty and the concerns around the Surveillance State will impact us all.  Everything else is a downstream consequence.

If the system is unavoidable, then what underpins my opposition?  Well, the tiered system of constitutional protections only for particular categories of personage must be rebuked.  On this matter there cannot be compromise, because every outcome that impedes our way of life is a derivative of this value, “all men are created equal.”

What is the value of national security, when the liberty that secures the values of America is destroyed in the process? 

Either the Fourth Amendment means something, or it does not!

[babble-on]

You do have to remember that a lot of the posts on here are literally from Russian bots who want to destroy America, so it makes it a little more understandable to read some of these comments.

[Openurmind]

“And this palantir guy is filthy and said every vestige of privacy should be stripped away to force people to act the way they should.
His program was started by the CIA venture capital firm. Trumps weakness is that he sees everything in terms of money, and success. If you’re successful when you make a lot of money, he is likely to throw his support towards you. It’s a Blindspot he has.”

That is a fact. Peter Thiel is probably the most dangerous human on the planet. Trump is absolutely blind to the fact that JD Vance, Thiel, and all those technocrat cronies are using him to digitally enslave us all. The inauguration guest list was a huge huge red flag alone. The writing was on the wall immediately based on that list...

[AndyTheBear]

This is Chinese style surveillance and control here... This is enslavement.

Not much of a fan of Big Data analytics, and even less so of all the LLM hyperbole.

Government can choose whether to abuse our rights or act within its intended scope whether it has the latest tech or not.

[Openurmind]

“You do have to remember that a lot of the posts on here are literally from Russian bots who want to destroy America, so it makes it a little more understandable to read some of these comments.”

Are you blind? This has been predicted. Myself and others predicted this back when we saw the guest list to Trump’s inauguration. They are riding the Trumpwave to digitally enslave us. Just look at the tech Cronies huddling around Trump drooling at the mouth. You would have to be absolutely blind to not see the connections and agenda.

This is absolutely real, they are biting at the bit to do this, and anyone who supports this or tries to excuse it is an insane idiot period.

[Openurmind]

“Government can choose whether to abuse our rights or act within its intended scope whether it has the latest tech or not.”

And once it is in place and the Democrats get their turn they will be the ones dictating how it is used...

Doesn’t anyone have any vision past lunch time???

[AndyTheBear]

Just wait until the Democrats get their turn to use it!!!

The lack of this particular expansion of this particular tech by Executive Order is not something that was holding the Democrats back from abusing us.

Palantir products were adopted back in 2013 by the CIA, DHS, FBI, CDC and military. And Democrat use of our rights went into overdrive during Biden years.

[AndyTheBear]

use -> abuse

[AndyTheBear]

Doesn’t anyone have any vision past lunch time???

Some, but I do not count you among their number.

Democrat Presidents do not have less power to put things in place than Republican Presidents, which is why Palantir has been doing a robust business with multiple government agencies since 2013.

[Openurmind]

This is NOT “Make America Great Again”. This is total surveillance state and enslavement. It will be used to shut off our debt cards if we do not “obey official commands” or step outside uniformity.

The risks far far outweigh the “reasons” and it is a huge psyop operation. This is about as bad as it can get for the freedom and liberty in this Nation. And I cannot believe anyone is actually ignorant enough to support this. It is a line that should NEVER BE CROSSED.

[Openurmind]

“Some, but I do not count you among their number.”

Don’t try to insult my intelligence. Then you are either completely blind or dishonest and have an agenda...

Myself and others have been calling this all along. I saw it coming as soon as Vance flipped to become Trump’s choice for VP. I asked “Why” and immediately dug into his associations. Surprise, surprise, All intelligence, counter-intelligence, or mega global technocrats. And many of those had already publicly confessed their agenda to digitally enslave the globe.

[AndyTheBear]

It will be used to shut off our debt cards if we do not “obey official commands” or step outside uniformity.

Its possible it could be used that way. But Leftists hardly need help to commit such abuses. Ask the truckers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada. All it took was the ill will of a Prime Minister to financially abuse a class of protesting citizens.

The enslavement of people does not need this particular adjustment to how the government shares data. If a future Leftist tyrant President needed such an adjustment they would just make it themselves.

You are like a logic free zone of hyper concern.

[Mogger]

I thought the Patriot Act a and Homeland Security did this dastardly deed years ago.

[Openurmind]

You can try to put all the lipstick you want on this, it is still a pig and will always be a pig...

This is a no go zone...