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John Dean says Nixon ‘would have survived’ Watergate under immunity ruling
The Hill ^ | 07/01/2024 | MIRANDA NAZZARO

Posted on 07/02/2024 8:33:44 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

John Dean, former White House counsel for the Nixon administration, said he believes former President Nixon “would have survived” the Watergate scandal if the Supreme Court’s immunity ruling issued Monday, which largely shields former presidents from criminal prosecution for actions in office, existed at the time.

Asked what would’ve happened with Nixon if the immunity ruling was in place during the fallout from Watergate, Dean pointed to Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who split from the other conservative justices on a portion of the majority opinion regarding the use of president’s official acts as evidence in criminal prosecution against a former president.

“Well, there’s actually two rulings in this decision. There’s a 6-3 for presumptive immunity, but there’s also a 5-4 on you can’t even have the evidence of official conduct come to play,” Dean said Monday. “This is very…this to me, appears to certainly influence the existing law on presidential conduct [and] what’s available…evidentiary speaking. Amy Coney Barrett said she didn’t think that it should be so restricted as the decision of the court itself was, so I think that Nixon would have survived. I think he would have walked under this ruling.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: dean; immunity; nixon; watergate
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To: ChicagoConservative27

How? Congress would not have moved forward with impeaching him for these acts with this ruling?

Makes *zero* sense.


41 posted on 07/02/2024 9:09:51 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: ChicagoConservative27

no, he would have been impeached an convicted, the trial could have been put off from August to January 1975


42 posted on 07/02/2024 9:09:54 AM PDT by sopo
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To: The Unknown Republican

This!


43 posted on 07/02/2024 9:10:05 AM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: proxy_user

“Not correct” is correct. Can’t these people read? Dumb as a sack of hammers.


44 posted on 07/02/2024 9:10:38 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("Honor is a gift a man gives to himself." - Rob Roy MacGregor)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

WIKI

The Huston Plan was a 43-page report and outline of proposed security operations put together by White House aide Tom Charles Huston in 1970. It came to light during the 1973 Watergate hearings headed by Senator Sam Ervin (D-NC). According to U.S. Senator Charles Mathias (R-MD), U.S. President Richard Nixon rescinded the plan on July 28, 1970, after approving it on July 23.

The impetus for this report was President Richard Nixon’s desire for coordination of domestic intelligence on purported ‘left-wing radicals’ and the counterculture-era anti-war movement in general. Huston had been assigned as White House liaison to the Interagency Committee on Intelligence (ICI), a group chaired by J. Edgar Hoover, then Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director. Huston worked closely with William C. Sullivan, Hoover’s assistant, in drawing up the options listed in what eventually became the document known as the Huston Plan.

The plan called for domestic burglary, illegal electronic surveillance, and opening the mail of domestic “radicals”. At one time, it also called for camps in Western states where anti-war protesters would be detained.

On July 23, 1970, Nixon ratified the proposals, and they were submitted as a document to the directors of the FBI, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and the National Security Agency (NSA).

Only Hoover objected to the plan and gained the support of then Attorney General of the United States John Mitchell to pressure Nixon to rescind the plan.

As details of the Huston Plan unfolded during the Watergate Hearings, it came to be seen as part of what Attorney General Mitchell referred to as “White House horrors”. This included the Plumbers Unit, the proposed fire-bombing of the Brookings Institution, the 1971 burglary of the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the creation of a White House enemies list, and the use of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to punish those deemed to be enemies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huston_Plan

How we got to Watergate:
https://the-avocado.org/2019/06/08/how-we-got-here-the-education-of-tom-charles-huston/


45 posted on 07/02/2024 9:12:05 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Hey John!

You are the one who belongs in jail over Watergate!

It was entirely your self-serving operation.

46 posted on 07/02/2024 9:12:29 AM PDT by G Larry (Its RACIST to impose slave wages on LEGAL immigrants and minorities by importing cheap ILLEGAL labor)
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To: brownsfan

John is a particularly loathsome individual who has done exceedingly well for himself by selling out to the establishment and deep state. The deep state really does take good care of its allies. Just look at all of Dean’s brothers and sisters who “cooperated” over the years, and the pattern is clear.


47 posted on 07/02/2024 9:13:40 AM PDT by Rlsau1
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To: proxy_user

Agreed. Also nothing the court said yesterday would prevent an impeachment. Congress still gets to decide for themselves what constitutes a ‘High crime or misdemeanor’.


48 posted on 07/02/2024 9:14:22 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim (C)
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To: proxy_user

He did not authorize it.


49 posted on 07/02/2024 9:15:20 AM PDT by Mouton (A 150MT hit may not solve our problems now but is a good start. )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I wasn’t aware that Nixon didn’t ‘walk’.


50 posted on 07/02/2024 9:15:23 AM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Sure. LBJ, FDR, and BHO all got away with surveilling their opponents because they did it through official channels. If Nixon had done that, there would have been no Watergate hearings and no impeachment proceedings and no resignation. Spying on rivals through unofficial channels would be more iffy, but at this point, we realize that the legal system is rigged anyway.


51 posted on 07/02/2024 9:16:04 AM PDT by x
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To: The Unknown Republican

“ Contrary to popular belief, Nixon was most likely the target of a deep state coup.”

Oh, you don’t think it was just a coincidence that the Deputy Director of the FBI was the secret source (and the author) of what the “gallant crusading reporters” published?

Anyone who understands Crossfire Hurricane but thinks Watergate was the result of legitimate law enforcement is too stupid to be allowed out of the house.


52 posted on 07/02/2024 9:17:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

A person should not be imprisoned for:
1. paying his lawyer,
2. what he writes in his own checkbook, or
3. what others write in his checkbook when the person is rich and has other people pay his bills.


53 posted on 07/02/2024 9:20:34 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: proxy_user

Technically, I don’t think Nixon authorized it, but only tried to cover it up once done.


54 posted on 07/02/2024 9:20:49 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The only similarities with Nixon:
1) Republican
2) Detested by Media


55 posted on 07/02/2024 9:21:28 AM PDT by Brandonmark (November 2024 cannot come soon enough!)
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To: 1Old Pro

Or Jimmie Dean’s. James Dean, or even Dean Martin.


56 posted on 07/02/2024 9:22:06 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

What a maroon!

It shields OFFICIAL actions! Since when could bugging the headquarters of your political opponents EVER be considered “official”?


57 posted on 07/02/2024 9:24:36 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: ChicagoConservative27

O.K. I’m getting sleepy ... I first read ...

“Jean Dixon said....” lol


58 posted on 07/02/2024 9:25:25 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

So Dean is admitting what Nixon said is totally true. When the President does it, it is not illegal.


59 posted on 07/02/2024 9:25:55 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Roses are red, Violets are blue, I love being on the government watch list, along with all of you.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I AM NOT A LAWYER-—BUT-—

THERE is a difference between:

“Actions in OFFICE” AND “OFFICIAL ACTIONS”


60 posted on 07/02/2024 9:26:23 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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