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Ukraine war will end in surrender
Asia Times ^ | 7/2/24 | STEPHEN BRYEN

Posted on 07/01/2024 9:37:45 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970

The Ukraine war will end in a surrender, not in a negotiated deal. That is my sense of where the war is headed and why the parties cannot negotiate a settlement.

The latest wrinkle in the missing negotiating saga is a declaration in the form of an interview given by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

In the interview, Zelensky said there can’t be direct negotiations between Ukraine and Russia but there could be indirect negotiations through a third party. In Zelensky’s proposed scenario, the third party will serve as an intermediary and any deal will only be with the intermediary, not between Russia or Ukraine. Zelensky suggested the UN could act in this role.

However, the Zelensky proposal is a non-starter for many reasons, but the biggest one is that warring states need to directly agree on ending a conflict.

There is no hope of a third party implementing any deal, as the failed Minsk agreements (2014, 2015) proved. Minsk was a hybrid case where the deal was signed by Russia, Ukraine and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

Ukraine refused to implement the deal and the OSCE proved toothless and unwilling to try and enforce the Minsk accords. The deal had political backing from Germany and France, although neither was a signatory nor legally obliged in any manner to support the resulting deal.

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TOPICS: China; Culture/Society; Editorial; European Union; Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia; Ukraine; War
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To: bimboeruption; nickcarraway; Williams
Biden has proven he’ll send Zelensky whatever he wants. Trump has not. Therefore, Biden is the zeeper candidate.


61 posted on 07/01/2024 12:59:06 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Putin surrenders? Well, that’s inevitable at the 1000+ a day Russian casualty rate currently.


62 posted on 07/01/2024 12:59:51 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Williams
and he will have my support

Like they say in the Bronx, your support and fifty cents will buy a shoeshine.

63 posted on 07/01/2024 1:01:41 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Rockingham
Putin and Russia are unconcerned with legitimacy and elections

Wouldn’t you say Ukraine is not concerned about elections by overthrowing an elected leader and the constitution in the Euromaiden Revolution? …and subsequent bombing of disenfranchised voters?
64 posted on 07/01/2024 1:09:55 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: bimboeruption

Rev is the one on the left with glasses.


65 posted on 07/01/2024 1:14:04 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: JonPreston

Looks like the Zelensky’s have a nice ride once they exit from Ukraine
to France. Or maybe Ukraine Citizens will treat them to quick trip to Hell.


66 posted on 07/01/2024 1:18:20 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: Tommy Revolts

He will end it with Ukraine’s surrender.


67 posted on 07/01/2024 1:20:40 PM PDT by roving (Deplorable Erectionists Listless Vessel )
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To: JonPreston

Putin prefers Biden because Trump will kick Putin’s ass. And you know it.
You’re nothing but false propaganda here.
Trump will put the lie to you.


68 posted on 07/01/2024 1:24:17 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

Trump will end the War. It will not be favorable to Zelensky and Neocons.


69 posted on 07/01/2024 1:32:33 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: Williams

You’ve got some nerve. You are stupid enough to pimp the whole corrupt neocon globohomo cluster f in Ukraine for two years. You pushed the Russia, Russia, Russia administration horse shit like a real DC trooper. Now you think WE are stupid enough to let you try to pass yourself off as some MAGA individual. Yeah right! Trump has been against this from the get go. I’ve rubbed your neocon nose in Trump’s statements that condemn this warmongering of yours and your DC fellow travelers. Stop insulting President Trump and MAGA because you are proving you are too Globohomo warmonger addled to understand what MAGA even is. Yeah, sending hundreds of billions to Biden’s corrupt piggy bank in Kiev, starting unprovoked woke forever crusades against nuclear powers is MAGA?!?


70 posted on 07/01/2024 1:33:26 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Williams; JonPreston

>>>>Putin prefers Biden because Trump will kick Putin’s ass<<<<

Do you honestly think Trump will start a war with Putin in order to protect someone who’s grifted billions of dollars from us?

I believe Trump will try and mend things with Putin. He knows that our great challenge in the 21st century isn’t Russia. We want Russia on our side in the long struggle between us and Communist China.


71 posted on 07/01/2024 1:58:12 PM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: bimboeruption

Who’s that Pillsbury Doughboy, blob-looking Zombie wearing glasses? Doesn’t seem related to the other Zombies in your excellent meme.


72 posted on 07/01/2024 2:06:15 PM PDT by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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To: Rocco DiPippo; tennmountainman

I wonder if she’ll notice.

If I looked that bad, I’d NEVER admit that it’s me.


73 posted on 07/01/2024 2:16:25 PM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

By November, Biden and his ilk will abandon UKR because the diversion/distraction from all his other inept control won’t be needed -win or lose. When Trump gets in, Zelenskyy loses his money train and will be forced to deal with reality.


74 posted on 07/01/2024 2:20:47 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: EnderWiggin1970
I believe it likely that it will end in negotiated agreement with Russia dictating the terms. It will be slightly less objectionable than using the term surrender.

It is irrelevant who has the better moral position. Russia is very predictably kicking Ukraine's butt. When Ukraine reaches its Appomattox moment, Zelensky will flee if he is lucky, and someone acting on behalf of Ukraine will accept Russia's terms to stop the slaughter and destruction.

The winner sets the terms and Ukraine will give up such territory as Russia demands. Ukraine will retain only such military power as Russia permits. Ukraine will vow not to seek NATO membership and to remain neutral. It will not be a negotiation between equals. The choice will be a really bad deal, or continue fighting and have more death, destruction and a worse deal.

75 posted on 07/01/2024 2:23:54 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: Williams

Beware Williams. I am Zelenskyy’s retribution.


76 posted on 07/01/2024 2:25:04 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: bimboeruption

Oh look, even holier-than-thou came down from the high horse and posed for the picture.


77 posted on 07/01/2024 2:28:56 PM PDT by ANKE69 (Beware of zeeper doxxing !!!!!!)
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To: JonPreston

Now you really sound like a lunatic.


78 posted on 07/01/2024 2:34:34 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: bimboeruption

Trump will mend fences with Putin and will threaten him if he doesn’t behave.
Putin knows it’s coming.


79 posted on 07/01/2024 2:36:21 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

Give it up. Gawd, you get more pathetic as time goes on. LOL


80 posted on 07/01/2024 2:36:34 PM PDT by dforest ( )
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