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Very eager to hear the thoughts on this from the people of Free Republic.
1 posted on 06/25/2024 7:53:24 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
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Then you have leftist Interventionism, that believes that the United States has the right to impose their will on every other country.


2 posted on 06/25/2024 7:55:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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I think there’s a middle ground that Trump achieved. He kept us out of wars, was engaged on the world stage, eliminated ISIS, and took out terrorists. Stopped the Iran deal, didnt give Putin the pipeline. We were respected.


3 posted on 06/25/2024 7:56:16 AM PDT by TiGuy22
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America needs to give up its leader ship role until it drops its gay nonsense


4 posted on 06/25/2024 7:56:56 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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Populist MAGA Republicans are actually more supportive of strong U.S. leadership and engagement in international affairs than establishment Republicans.

I can only speak for myself but I consider myself a populist MAGA conservative and I think we should be more isolationist. We can't be the world's policeman. We should stay out of Forever Wars. I am not a Neocon. I think the "Establishment Republicans" are Neocons who love war because it means money for the Military Industrial Complex. I despise that.

5 posted on 06/25/2024 7:58:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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Well, there are conservatives and the ‘gopE’. Nothing for the rnc/gopE. Local candidates.


6 posted on 06/25/2024 8:01:13 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this๐Ÿ’ฉ? ๐Ÿšซ๐Ÿ’‰! ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ‘!)
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I think the two splits are from the same administration.

There are the Ronald Reagan "Make America Great Again" Republicans, and the

George H.W. Bush "Machine" Republicans.

Most R's would fall under one or the other, but there are outliers (total fakes).

7 posted on 06/25/2024 8:01:46 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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“..Populist MAGA Republicans are actually more supportive of strong U.S. leadership and engagement in international affairs than establishment Republicans...”

You re exactly right. MAGA calls for world leadership not by buying international friendship but through cooperative relationships, win-win trade deals, recognizing the culture of others not changing it, etc.


9 posted on 06/25/2024 8:05:31 AM PDT by elpadre
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supportive of strong U.S. leadership and engagement in international affairs than establishment Republicans.


People think in dichotomy, one or the other. We do that because we think it simplifies the problem and puts us in control.

The reality it is both and more. Systems are complex.

Liberals look at one data point like CO2 and think they understand and can control the system.

But, complex systems give you a headache and lead to answers like God. And we can’t have that.


10 posted on 06/25/2024 8:07:22 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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> wants to retreat into a fortress America <

They say that like itโ€™s a bad thing. The trouble with modern America is that we think we should be involved in everything, everywhere.

Wrong. Get involved only when our vital national interests are at stake.


12 posted on 06/25/2024 8:08:33 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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The myth is everything the Washington Post views in its perverted version of reality.

The GOP Establishment is NOT “the Reaganite Wing” of the party, and there is zero overlap. The GOPE hated Reagan, they still hate Reagan and want to get past the Reagan years, and they always do what they can to prevent Reaganites from taking over the party.

What the GOP Establishment actually are, are the progressive republicans with a lineage back to Teddy Roosevelt’s huge massive government schemes. They are the Mitt Romney and John McCains of the party.

The MAGA Wing does have unique characteristics, however most of the Reaganites and the MAGA are the exact same people. Seeking limited government, seeking Constitutionalism, and seeking a GOP that finally fights against Democrats and the media instead of a GOP that fights the Reaganites.


13 posted on 06/25/2024 8:11:38 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The historians must be stopped. They're destroying everything.)
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We should let everyone who wants to just walk into our fortress. Terrorists..drug cartel.. communist Chinese..force people to buy EVs..
Pay 2-3 times as much for food.
Keep spending trillions.
Go team!


15 posted on 06/25/2024 8:16:25 AM PDT by Leep (Leftardism strikes 1 in 5.)
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I think our national health boils down to national purpose:

Are we to be governed as a nation for the purpose lining the pockets of billionaire elites, or are we to govern the nation to address the common welfare and security of people in general . . . a government of the people, by the people and for the people . . . . Elites have stolen our government, swindled the people and enriched themselves. . . and lying to us all the way to the bank.


17 posted on 06/25/2024 8:21:04 AM PDT by RatRipper
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I was and am a Reagan fan and a solid Trump fan. I don’t think MAGA is any where near being isolationists. We need to be engaged in the world. We need partners for trade and support. We just don’t need to get involved in all the problems of the world. We should be the peace makers, not the antagonists.


18 posted on 06/25/2024 8:23:12 AM PDT by JoJo354 (We are the revolution....)
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The main problem is that we have no foreign policy in America, since we have no true position, foreign countries and enemies know that every 4 to 8 years they will be dealing with what in effect is a different country in world relations and purpose than it was under the previous administration, and that this one will be largely reversed or focus completely shifted by the next, and then again by the one following that, and so on.

With no national view, identity or plan, other nations and enemies learn how to milk or exploit whichever party is in office during any given period which means foreign countries make incremental gains over us, no matter which party is in office.
You work the democrats this way during their reign, and then you work the GOP that way during their reign.
With two steps forward and one step back no matter who is in office, you make gradual progress in using us in whichever way your country needs to use us.


19 posted on 06/25/2024 8:24:56 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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Populist MAGA Republicans are actually more supportive of strong U.S. leadership and engagement in international affairs than establishment Republicans.

If "strong U.S. leadership and engagement in international affairs" means spending billions on border security for other nations while illegals flood our borders, count me out.

I want Republicans who understand that OUR border security must come first, not Ukraine's or Israel's.
21 posted on 06/25/2024 8:31:49 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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These jerks hated Reagan just as much as they hate Trump. They know most voters now weren’t old enough, or even born yet, to know the vitriol they spewed. And that was without anything to counter the big media monopoly of the 80s. Now they are trying to paint Chomo Joe as the latest incarnation of Reagan? I remember the attacks from jerks just like Chomo Joe. Remember this...

https://youtu.be/Yq7FKO5DlV0?si=ft-GJs_yXbX1T9XW


24 posted on 06/25/2024 8:44:23 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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MAGA believes in Realpolitik.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=cf2d8ca50076abe9&q=realpolitik&si=ACC90nwKPQWKXvO0LWGU61hOTgoDa0rFiQBCppkNGKpx8yeuNfDJsB4pqdvDecs320xHBB_-kImYDGs6UHDk_UkuiZW71ZkFDFHRsDEpFNhqIcxXhC8nbqo%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjn_7zPjPeGAxUKHjQIHUO5BLMQ2v4IegQIGhAT&biw=1366&bih=579&dpr=1


25 posted on 06/25/2024 8:47:21 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Way back in my U of Chicago days I took a course taught by Al Haig’s speechwriter, Nathan Tarcov, on U.S. Foreign Policy.

Some of the foreign policy history that was skipped in a typical U.S. History course was included. One of the earliest suggestions of intervention was in the 1820s, regarding the Greek uprising against the Ottoman Empire. Monroe and Jefferson were very sympathetic, but my forebear, John Quincy Adams, would not support direct intervention, so it didn’t happen. We let the Europeans and Turks sort it out.


26 posted on 06/25/2024 8:47:36 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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“A Reaganite wing that still holds on to old ideas of U.S. leadership on the world stage”

and

“a populist MAGA wing that is deeply skeptical of U.S. global leadership and wants to retreat into a fortress America.”

In the Washington Post metro DC area such a split exists.


29 posted on 06/25/2024 9:09:36 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“Populist MAGA Republicans are actually more supportive of strong U.S. leadership and engagement in international affairs”

That’s only the case when a ‘pet’ foreign country is involved.

Give me a ‘U’...

Give me an “I’...


30 posted on 06/25/2024 9:18:56 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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