Posted on 06/13/2024 8:41:45 AM PDT by Red Badger
The US has agreed to send a second Patriot system to Ukraine, according to reports.
Ukraine has been given a handful of the missile systems from its allies, but says it needs more.
Patriots help stop Russian attacks, but Ukraine's allies are reluctant to reduce their own arsenals.
A second US Patriot system is headed for Ukraine following appeals for further air defenses, according to reports.
The MIM-104 Patriot missile system has been hailed as a major success in Ukraine, shooting down Russian missiles and aircraft as Ukraine fights back against Russia's invasion.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Missiles and anti-missile weapons, all for a losing cause, bu both sides.
Ukraine and Russia should call all hostilities off, and go back to their situations from before the war started. That’s going to be the outcome anyway, so, just face the facts and call it quits.
“The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.”
― George Orwell, 1984
“Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”
― George Orwell, 1984
“...the object of waging a war is always to be in a better position in which to wage another war.”
― George Orwell, 1984
“The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word “war,” therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that is exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and has been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three superstates, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed forever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This—although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense—is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Most of the people calling for a ceasefire, only suggest terms that make Russia's paltry gains permanent. This will only lead to further aggression in the future.
Hitler did not stop with the Sudetenland.
Ukraine can never be secure if Russia can attack and rob them without consequence.
Ukraine should have made some compromise, but greatly built up defenses. It did neither, and it seems a huge number of Ukraine's men are hiding out and not willing to fight.
Russia has had consequences, and lost a chunk of it own men, but a lot of other stuff has worked to its advantage.
We have no treaty to protect Ukraine, only promises to talk with Russia if there were unsolvable conflicts. Ukraine needed to step up or give up.
Whatever happed to that hyper-super-duper-ludicrous-Speed missile Russia supposedly has?...............
Some nut in Ukraine scraped up 900 pseudo-Nazis out af a population of 41 million, so now Ukraine is totally, totally totally fascist. Riiiight.
Y'know Russia has its' own share of fascists, and by headcount it's far, far bigger than Ukraine's. The head fascist is Putin himself.
Whatever happened to that hyper-super-duper-ludicrous-Speed missile Russia supposedly has?..
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Shot down. Patriots to blame.
As popular as socialism is now, isn’t interesting that greed is pushing the world into a nuclear war?
A few items of importance — in order of importance:
1) Ukraine has no oil. Every once in a while someone claims they do. They don’t. Here is the bible of energy for 70 years of tracking. It shows 0 reserves for Ukraine:
https://www.energyinst.org/statistical-review (scroll down to download the spreadsheet (not the .pdf)) UNDERSTAND THIS. Ukraine has no oil.
2) Ukraine’s natgas reserves are 1.1 Trillion Cubic Meters. This is essentially nothing. It represents 0.6% of the world’s total. Russia’s natgas reserves are 37.4 Trillion Cubic Meters. Russia has no need for these.
3) The attack on Ukraine had nothing to do with oil or gas.
4) Russia’s planted hectares are more than double that in Ukraine, and there are vast expanses of land presently not planted that can be should there be a need. In contrast, 3/4 of Ukraine farmland is planted yearly. Farmland had nothing to do with the attack.
So proceed with whatever theories based on these indisputable facts.
Socialism’s objective it to make all people equally miserable.
War is good for accomplishing that........
I'm on your side, with Ukraine's NAZIs, Chad.
Let me summarize your comment, thus:
“A quarrel in a faraway country, between people of whom we know nothing” - Neville Chamberlain
To me, it’s always been obvious Russia wanted annexed land to the sea.
It is not obvious that Russia wanted the rest of Ukraine, which doesn’t have much going for it, of which I agree, with you.
I am on your side.
Man to think that the Ukraine could have set a trap for Putin before the attack. A longer drawn out conflict just may have given Vlad the time to think twice about what he’s gotten into. His back against the wall 2 years later just may have forced him to read the tea leaves. More escalation and the rest of Europe comes around to it’s common interests instead of their individual ones.
Vlad doesn’t have too many friends. Is Belarus gonna have his back?
No, my comment simply summarizes the full extent of what the US, the UK, and Russia agreed to do, with the Ukrainian accords, coupled with the complete lack of defense build up, when Ukraine became independent.
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