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To: Red Badger

Missiles and anti-missile weapons, all for a losing cause, bu both sides.

Ukraine and Russia should call all hostilities off, and go back to their situations from before the war started. That’s going to be the outcome anyway, so, just face the facts and call it quits.


2 posted on 06/13/2024 8:50:54 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: adorno
Ukraine and Russia should call all hostilities off

I don't think you understand how many people are making money off of this.
3 posted on 06/13/2024 8:55:29 AM PDT by JoSixChip (P.S. There’s a fed in that thread you’re in right now.)
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To: adorno

“The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“...the object of waging a war is always to be in a better position in which to wage another war.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word “war,” therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that is exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and has been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three superstates, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed forever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This—although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense—is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.”
― George Orwell, 1984


4 posted on 06/13/2024 8:55:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: adorno
Putin cannot afford to agree to the status quo ante. If he does, he is effectively a dead man. He has cost both Russia and Ukraine enormous harm, both in and treasure. Putin cannot afford to end this war without without some token gains.

Most of the people calling for a ceasefire, only suggest terms that make Russia's paltry gains permanent. This will only lead to further aggression in the future.

Hitler did not stop with the Sudetenland.

Ukraine can never be secure if Russia can attack and rob them without consequence.

5 posted on 06/13/2024 8:59:46 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (לעזאזל עם חמאס)
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To: adorno; Lonesome in Massachussets; Chad C. Mulligan; ConservativeMind; DIRTYSECRET; DesertRhino

“... go back to their situations from before the war started. That’s going to be the outcome anyway, ..”
“ Putin cannot afford to agree to the status quo ante. If he does, he is effectively a dead man.”
“Even if Russia eventually ‘wins’ (which is unthinkable and will never happen) ..”
“Unable to make any more progress on the ground. ... This has to be stopped.”
“I’m on your side with Ukraine’s NAZIs, Chad.”
“To me, it’s always been obvious Russia wanted annexed land to the sea.”
“His [Vlad] back against the wall...”
“Putin thought he could roll over Kiev in three days, and begin the project of reconstructing the Soviet Union, ..”
“putin NEVER would have started this war if he didn’t think it would be a cakewalk.” (now THAT’s serious bullskitski)

The Langley work from home deepState neocon zeepers have stolen Hunter’s stash and are using it all at once !


52 posted on 06/13/2024 10:30:45 PM PDT by A strike (no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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