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Germany okays Ukraine's use of German-supplied weapons on targets in Russia following US policy change
Fox News ^ | May 31, 2024

Posted on 05/31/2024 4:37:51 AM PDT by McGruff

The German government said Friday that Ukraine can use German-supplied weapons against Russian attacks from positions just over their joint border, in a significant policy change that came a day after U.S. President Joe Biden gave Kyiv a green light to strike back with American weapons at Russian military assets targeting the country’s second-largest city.

A German government statement noted that, in recent weeks, Russia has prepared, coordinated and carried out attacks on Ukraine's northeastern Kharkiv region, in particular from areas just over the border in Russia.

"Together we are convinced that Ukraine has the right under international law to defend itself against these attacks," the statement said. "For this, it can also use the weapons delivered for that purpose in accordance with its international legal commitments, including the ones delivered by us,"

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TOPICS: Extended News; Germany; News/Current Events; Russia; War
KEYWORDS: germany; killkillkillforpeace; mic; russia; thomasnewdick; tothelastukrainian; tylerrogoway; ukraine; welfarewar; zeepersthrilled
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To: kiryandil

Didn’t Hunka threaten to leave a few weeks back?


61 posted on 05/31/2024 8:12:34 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Zhang Fei; Jumper; BobL; JonPreston

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4240400/posts?page=10#10


62 posted on 05/31/2024 8:13:15 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: JonPreston
Thanks for the laugh. Now get your ass back on the short bus.

63 posted on 05/31/2024 8:14:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: PIF; JonPreston
Not the first time you hinted you are Russian - no cover for you.

Are you still NeverTrump, PIF?

64 posted on 05/31/2024 8:15:12 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: dfwgator

exactly


65 posted on 05/31/2024 8:16:01 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They're excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: JonPreston
lol. Lithuanian will probably go first. Hold the pickled herring!



"Hermann Goering, yes, yes. And Von Ribbentrop, that was another one."
66 posted on 05/31/2024 8:17:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Now get your ass back on the short bus

You bet, granny!

67 posted on 05/31/2024 8:18:21 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: blitz128
Now that the “untouchable” parts of Russias norther “offensive” will be targeted by western weapons, let’s see how they hold up.

Pretty cheesy, pancake clown.

68 posted on 05/31/2024 8:19:03 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: JonPreston

Sure Vladimir. BTW how’s the weather in Moscow?


69 posted on 05/31/2024 8:20:04 AM PDT by USAF1985 (Joe McCarthy is a hero...he was absolutely, 100% correct! (Let’s go Brandon!))
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To: USAF1985
Question: Have you a link for these actual estimates or did you make them up?

USAF1985 to Tom Tetroxide

Try again Oleg...that’s Russian estimates of Ukraine forces killed (propaganda).

Actual estimates: US estimates are 35,000 Ukraine dead and 350,000 Russian dead (450,000 UK estimate).


70 posted on 05/31/2024 8:27:12 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Jumper

How does a Airborne Surveillance and Control aircraft (ASC 890) figure into those targeting capabilities?


72 posted on 05/31/2024 10:01:08 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

I am not they do but the guy introduced the AWACS as a platform being handed over to Ukraine. ME Thinks that the only person on an Ukrainian AWACS might be a voice communications officer, but most international aircraft language is in English.

It is a command and control aircraft. I often marvalled at them at GK when I went there.

The US appears to have the best aircraft in the world. I have jumped from the C7A, C123, C130, C141, C5A, CH53, CH47, Hewy, Blackhawk and flow in the CINCPAC Command and Control Aircraft which is similar to AF1. I have walked thru an AWACS but can only grin at the sheer techincal wizardy America has achieved.

All that America has accomplished keeps going backwards and away.

The satillite data in an ATTACMs Missile is loaded into the weapons system using a COMSEC device. They load the key material into the transfer device which is transmitted from NSA to the Agency, either State or DOD....

My final job at State was Comsec Manager. I was directed after being the only person to every ace 4 comsec inspections and earn their prestigous award twice. I reitred after my back surgery and being told what I had to do for a living, as I preferred living/working overseas or in the World Wide Network Operations Center for State/***


73 posted on 05/31/2024 10:12:54 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Zhang Fei; anyone

I don’t disagree with everything you said, one part I think you are overlooking is the importance of Ukraine to Russia.

We are not talking about Syria. Kiev was the capital of much of what is Russia today. Their peoples have many similarities to the Russians as in language, ethnic even familial relationships. Putin has said publicly many times they consider Ukraine, as at least a neutral state, existential to Russia. They are willing, as proven, to go to full scale war for it.

That doesn’t mean it is moral or just it’s how THEY view it. I don’t think Putin or his top brass would say “it will be suicide but let’s do it…bomb the USA with nukes, it is worth our lives for Ukraine to stay out of NATO”. It will just happen. Escalation I believe is the word?

Russia will find an army group in danger, or a wild general will make A rash decision and use a Tactical nuke . Perhaps one side will use Sarin gas…. Responded by a NATO strike on Russia’s early warning defense radar (sound familiar?) and so on to a full exchange. Any number of scenarios is possible.

A few general factors are working against us:
1. Peters principle /entropy what have you. Things tend to fall apart over time and mistakes will happen.
2. We have a demented and leftist leader
3. Wars tend to be fought with the weapons that won the last one (WW2being the last world war)
4. Weapons are built to be used and always have been
5. Over complexity and computerization of nuclear defense means human response might be limited

Ohhhh….dont believe that last one? Well too bad because it almost happened before.

https://www.nps.gov/people/stanislav_petrov.htm#:~:text=Stanislav%20Petrov%20and%20park%20ranger,Delta%2D01%2C%20May%202007.&text=Significance%3A,Soviet%20nuclear%20false%20alarm%20incident.


74 posted on 05/31/2024 10:24:24 AM PDT by Phoenix8 (600s.)
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To: Phoenix8

Good post


75 posted on 05/31/2024 10:28:31 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: JonPreston

It most certainly is America’s fight, just like the fight against the criminal Palestinians is America’s fight.


77 posted on 05/31/2024 11:08:18 AM PDT by Bob Wills is still the king (Just a Texas Playboy at heart)
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To: Bob Wills is still the king

Why? What is it were fighting for? “Democracy”?!?!?! Don’t make me laugh.


78 posted on 05/31/2024 11:09:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Bob Wills is still the king

Well gee, we’re $34 trillion in debt. How do you propose to pay for it?


79 posted on 05/31/2024 11:17:55 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Jumper

I couldn’t find the answer in all that bio stuff, how does a Airborne Surveillance and Control aircraft (ASC 890) figure into those targeting capabilities for Ukraine since Sweden is sending them one?


80 posted on 05/31/2024 11:19:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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