Posted on 04/25/2024 12:55:09 PM PDT by Az Joe
Thursday’s argument in Trump v. United States was a disaster for Special Counsel Jack Smith, and for anyone who believes that the president of the United States should be subject to prosecution if they commit a crime.
I think this is the first time that I have understood this put so succinctly. And this is what they shout about as trying to overthrow the election.
Hmm - so I guess Al Gore also attempted to overthrow an election when he petitioned the courts for a recount of the Florida ballots.
I think some immunity seems to imply criminal acts that is not associated with the scope of the office. The President should not be immune from murder, for example.
I'd like to suggest that even Roberts wasn't exactly "hedging" here.
This line... “how easy it is in many cases for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to bring an indictment. And reliance on the good faith of the prosecutor may not be enough in some cases"
...seems to me to be dripping with sarcasm. The court knows what's going on with Trump, and this note from Roberts tells me that they're quite willing to put a stop to it.... er, at least the common sense wing of the Court.
Doubtful. GOPe are worried about the Marquis of Queensbury rules.
“Attempting to steal” MY ASS!
What awful, tendentious writing!
Well, it's Ian Milhiser, what else would should we expect from him? He's made a career of clownish hypocrisy and illogic, so he's perfectly on-brand here.
Let me ask you, if Biden were to find out your identity and claim your postings were hate filled and a danger to the social order and you suddenly found your house surrounded by demonstrators, a few of whom destroyed your garage and patio, would you accept that he was immune from prosecution because he was POTUS identifying a hater who was a danger. Now I don’t believe Trump’s speech was a criminal act. But I don’t believe in the idea of presidential immunity or as Nixon put it, presidential sovereignty.
The President should not be immune from murder, for example.
Not according to liberal justices. Obama has every right to kill Americans with drone strikes. Also, no one mentioned Fast and Furious Gun Running, which was responsible for killing several people.
I’ll guess we’ll know by the end of June. We’ll see how MSLSD comments on it tonight. They’ll have an idea of how well...or how badly...things went for the Big Guy.
“attempting to steal the 2020 election”
Total BS
Never would have bought that argument myself before all of these Trump cases, but we're seeing multiple actual examples of the chaos that results without it. Rogue AG's, and even county level DA's with political agendas are conducting open warfare against their political enemies, including the current presumptive GOP nominee on the flimsiest of novel charges. They're not only willing to use the courts to destroy Trump, they're willing to destroy the credibility of judicial system as a whole.
How else can this be stopped than by moving these political decisions currently being made by corrupt blue-state and blue-city prosecutors back onto the national political stage?
We have entered a dangerous new era in this country.
She and Kavanagh were bad picks. Her especially.
Conservative Chief Justice? Laughable.
I am very concerned about Trump’s lawyers. Sauer to me is worthless. He has no clue about the PR aspect of this and with respect to that he screwed up royally. First, in the DC court he gave an abysmal answer to the assassination scenario that said that you needed conviction of impeachment and that painted the picture to the public (especially with media’s help) that the immunity allows everything. That is, of course, nonsensical. He did not waiver from that position in this hearing.
Even worse, Deeben from the special council brought up that there was the advocation of a very narrow immunity based upon the safeguards of professionalism by the prosecutors and grand jury process. I wanted the justices to pipe in about what is occurring in New York. To their credit they were circumspect and addressed this mildly. (I got the impression that the judges were well aware of the gravity and importance of writing effective rules).
However, on a PR scale, this should have been pitching a grapefruit to Sauer who should have knocked this out of the park by briefly addressing the abuses in New York. My response would have been one of ridicule. For example, “Did I hear correctly that the special counsel said that we have safeguards of the professionalism of the prosecutors and the grand jury to protect the sanctity of insuring that no unworthy prosecution of a president will take place? Hello McFly! Look at New York. The DA ran on a campaign of “get Trump”. Every legal scholar notes that the charges are ridiculous in that they used a federal election law (which the FEC said was no crime) to put on a state misdemeanor which passed the statute of limitations and with a conflicted judge whose daughter benefits financially and whose wife works for the very same DA who campaign on “get Trump”. Also this judge restricts his ability to communicate while all of the other people involved have no restrictions to disparage him. We do not have to speculate on a hypothetical when that situation is occurring now. Of course, you may say that the appeals process will solve that but we all know that the effort is election interference.
This response would have had no effect on the judges as they seem to want to do the right thing but it would have had a big effect in the PR process. So what did Sauer do when his time came to rebut? Crickets. We have nothing further to comment.
“ This isn’t about biden.”
How so?
This is all about Biden. It is Biden’s presidential campaign.
Unfortunately for Biden and the entire group, it is also Trump’s campaign. And he’s winning. He always wins. Because he is a winner. Even when Biden stole the 2020 and proceeded to fall flat on his face for the next 3 1/2 years. Showing that the country is completely better under the trump presidency Trump wins
It will continue
This is all about Biden
I no longer have faith in the judicial branch anymore. I wouldn’t be shocked if the ruling would be evenly split with Roberts being the deciding vote and siding with the left evil judges. They’re never gonna let Trump go ….the judicial black robe lawfare POS evil SOBs have him by the short hairs. They will hunt him down until they have what they want…they’re never going to let go because if they do, they will all fall. They cannot risk letting Trump be president in 2024. Just remember the motto show me the man and I’ll show you the crime! Look at what’s going on in Arizona they’re gonna keep hammering him until they can drive the stake deep through his heart!
“Which is why the Grand Jury idea needs to be abolished or drastically changed to limit the ambitions of political prosecutors.”
Not abolished ... a GJ is a good filter for determining if a case should be moved forward. The problem with Bragg’s case against PDJT is that most of the charges put forward in the indictment were vague, addressing nothing directly. Also much of the language used was not used in the document used to charge PDJT.
There should be a direct one-for-one correlation of specific charges from the indictment thru to the warrant each of which includes specific language that specify the charges and the statute that is being violated. Bragg’s paperwork is shoddy at best and misleading at best; criminal at the worst.
Bragg, Letitia, Fawni, Mosby, etc are all DEI ghettopotamus’ whose girth is exceed only by their belief in their own self-importance. Fook ‘m all. Hopefully disbarment is coming soon, maybe something even worse.
FJB, FBO
I was a grand juror during the Clinton administration and we had a case that was assault on a Federal officer. As we questioned further the assault was that the officer ran after the person’s car and fell down. They were just very mad at that guy and they wanted to get him and I convinced them to deny them the indictment. They were very miffed.
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