Posted on 04/02/2024 6:03:05 PM PDT by Mariner
The US must be aware of and avoid Russian disinformation operations at all costs if it wants to maintain its Western values and help Ukraine win the war, conflict analysts argue.
"Basic facts are in question daily as the Kremlin floods the Western debate with its narratives," analysts at the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War said in a March 27 report.
The analysts said that "the notion that the war is unwinnable because of Russia's dominance is a Russian information operation, which gives us a glimpse of the Kremlin's real strategy and only real hope of success."
For years, Russia has manipulated information enough to cause other countries to perceive Russia as a dominant force in Europe and, more recently, that it is winning in Ukraine.
Because Russia needs to sideline Ukraine's Western partners, the US in particular, the ISW analysts wrote, "the Russian strategy that matters most, therefore, is not Moscow's warfighting strategy, but rather the Kremlin's strategy to cause us to see the world as it wishes us to see it and make decisions in that Kremlin-generated alternative reality that will allow Russia to win in the real world."
ISW asserts that the Kremlin is pushing the narrative that "supporting Ukraine is a distraction from 'real' US problems" and is simply not worth the effort, and it's having an effect. Conflict fatigue has become a serious issue in the West, especially the US as support funding for Ukraine's war effort has been held up and unable to pass in Congress for months.
(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...
“””””I’m not the one whose premise is that polling is never wrong or purposely manipulated or that the media isn’t lying this time.”””””
Polling is useful especially for public opinion on foreign policy issues, you totally dismiss polling but want to argue all night, the mystery is about what?
“never wrong” “insisting that our media is being honest”
Why you guys waste so much time on these childish moving of goal posts to make post after post of arguing is puzzling, it seems to be some emotional release for you.
Polling has been fake for years.
You’re defending the very same media that said Hillary had it in the bag, the very same media that outright said that they MUST censor information that runs counter to the narrative, the same media that currently says Biden didn’t declare Easter as trans day of visibility and anyone saying otherwise is saying misinformation, the same media saying that Biden has high approval.
I’ve only recently come around to thinking that Ukraine may hold on to Odesa, I don’t pay attention to the same thing that you sports fan like guys do.
My interest is in Russia and the long term strategic threat to America.
LOL, you are creating an entire fantasy argument with your own imaginary poster in your head.
When it comes to “mis-information,” I wonder which is worse, the Kremlin or White House????
No fantasy argument.
You claimed only 36% opposed our involvement in Ukraine and mentioned polls.
Do I need to link to your comments?
I’m not the one whose premise is that the media is being honest.
That’d be you.
The same media that said Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation, the same media that said the Steele dossier was real, the same media that said that the Killian memos were real.
Ukraine has hammered the Russian Black Sea fleet with drone ship attacks. They now rarely put to sea at all.
BI via Yahoo about as bad as it gets. Ugh what a load of BS
(Yahoo! “news”)
Has been for years.
Completely a garbage website.
Their Leftist users are even worse when you read their comments.
Here is what I mostly am interested in from this Russian invasion.
The West doesn’t just face Russia in Europe, it faces China as well and while the Russian threat has been neutered for awhile as they need years to rebuild their difficult and almost impossible to replace weapons such as ships, hi-tech aircraft, and armor and artillery, etc. while dealing with holding onto what they are fighting for and pacifying whatever they succeed in conquering, China is growing its global war machine and bases, and capabilities.
Some here are so passionate about making the case for Russia’s invasion and against the West and American military readiness that they have decided that China isn’t a threat either, and that none of this has anything to do with being prepared for China, or even how having Russia so tied up and weakened in its ability to fight first tier militaries hurts China’s ability to tie up NATO assets if we have to fight them, and also how those NATO assets have grown greatly and are growing now as the West is forced to rediscover and supply its war fighting needs.
The West and the Pacific allies and friends have grown closer and have increased military budgets, bases, cooperation, training and weapons manufacturing since Russia’s war launch, NATO is recognizing that it will not be left out of a China war and is taking steps to participate in the Pacific defenses and other areas if war with China breaks out.
Yeah and then you went & ped me again. 🤣 When you are not expecting it, better watch out. 🤣
“West believes controlling the “narrative” is the same as reality. “
Baudrillard wrote a series of essays about the first Gulf War, where he argued that the actual events of the military conflict had little to do with what was emphasized in the media presentations.
https://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Gulf_War_Did_Not_Take_Place.html?id=IGswfqekMuQC&redir_esc=y
He argued that the presentation in the media of what happened, was much more consequential than the actual military events. And the consequences of the war were entirely based on the media re-interpretation.
It seemed like goofy French Academic post-modernism at the time.
But now we have the ISW openly arguing that if the West can maintain control of the media narrative, Ukraine can “win” !
Btw, For anyone who is interested, this the latest polling in GoogleNews.
https://apnews.com/article/poll-ukraine-aid-congress-b772c9736b92c0fbba477938b047da2f
Hey, any time I can add something to my playlist it’s a good thing.
Don’t forget Degarmo & Key, Daniel Band, and Rez Band (1980’s not the modern musician. This one is very hard to find anywhere).
See the claim in post 62 for the latest MSM talking point on support for the misadventure.
Support for this war is primarily Democrats. Opposition is primarily from Repubs.
“Most Republicans still share Johnson’s view, and their opinions haven’t changed significantly since the fall: 55% say the U.S. is spending too much on Ukraine aid, compared to 59% in November.
Meanwhile, support for increasing Ukraine aid has grown among Democrats. About 4 in 10 Democrats say the U.S. is spending “too little” on aid to Ukraine in the war against Russia, up from 17% in November.”
https://apnews.com/article/poll-ukraine-aid-congress-b772c9736b92c0fbba477938b047da2f
The Kremlin has enough resources to note EVERY newly visited website post that enters Russia, review it and ban if necessary. Nomatter how obscure or small. Nomatter what language. Often within a matter of hours. If you don’t believe me, visit Russia even for a layover and use their internet.
FR receives 5-20 Million visitors a month from all over the world and activity jumps during major events. There are many English speakers in Russia with better grammar than our average public schooler. No doubt they are operating here.
The 24/7 activity from “Americans” cheering supposed Russian advances is unlike ANYTHING I’ve ever seen. On ALL platforms. Being antiwar is understandable but this level of “Americans” showing gloating excitement over any hint of Russia “winning” and disgust over anything Ukrainian is just so over the top fake that it’s funny. Common guys...
They overwhelm comment sections of media to render meaningful dialogue impossible.
On an average working day, the workers are to post on news articles 50 times. Each blogger is to maintain six Facebook accounts publishing at least three posts a day and discussing the news in groups at least twice a day. By the end of the first month, they are expected to have won 500 subscribers and get at least five posts on each item a day. On Twitter, the bloggers are expected to manage 10 accounts with up to 2,000 followers and tweet 50 times a day.
We want America First narrative, yes.
That’s why we must fight against the deep-state Kremlin narrative.
It’s a tough job, because Russia’s gets pro-active support from all the communists nations of the planet, North Korea in particular, and it also gets massive military support from the Islamic State of Iran. All are America’s traditional worst enemies. Together they started a war against Ukraine, then against Israel. Russia fomented with Iran and Hamas to launch a war against Israel in order to deflect from the eastern front in Ukraine going badly for Russai after more than 2 years already...
Putin ‘forming axis of terror’ as he welcomes Hamas and Iran to Moscow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/26/putin-forming-axis-of-terror-welcomes-hamas-iran-moscow/
Those who supports Russia, are de facto the ones supporting Iran, North Korea, Hamas.
They from an anti-American, anti-Western Alliance.
Highly interesting. Thank you for the post.
Many Republicans and Democrats are unfortunately falling for the Russian disinformation... They are overwhelmed by it.
It's non-stop. You make one post. You'll get overwhelmed with 10 replies immediately.
It's effective.
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