Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Biden set to sell up to 50 F-15 fighter jets to Israel for $18 billion in biggest arms sale to Tel Aviv since start of war against Hamas
Daily Mail ^ | April 1, 2024 | Nick Allen

Posted on 04/02/2024 9:49:12 AM PDT by Angelino97

The White House is set to approve an $18 billion arms sale to Israel including several dozen F-15 fighter planes.

It would be the biggest arms sale by Washington to Tel Aviv since the start of Israel's war against Hamas on October 7.

The sale has been under consideration since the United States received a formal request in January 2023.

Speeding up the delivery was among the main requests from Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant when he visited Washington last week.

Gallant held talks with U.S. officials including Biden's National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.

The F-15s need to be built and would not arrive in Israel for several years.

Israel wants to increase its air power not just to fight Hamas but to deter the threat from Iran and its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah.

The military package includes a large number of F-15 aircraft, aircraft munitions and support services, training, maintenance, and many years of contractor support during the lifecycle of the aircraft, which could be up to two decades.

CNN reported that the agreement may include up to 50 F-15s.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: f15; gaza; israel; war
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081 next last
To: Angelino97

Biden to Israel, If you want that 18 Billion dollars worth of aid I want Netanyahu FIRED! You got about 4 hours.


61 posted on 04/02/2024 1:57:26 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cgbg

Interesting.


62 posted on 04/02/2024 2:00:40 PM PDT by mbrfl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Gen.Blather

While the military industrial complex is rightly criticized from a moral perspective, it’s not likely to be reined in anytime soon until the economic incentives you speak of are addressed. I’m not sure that there’s an easy solution, but perhaps our government should start by insisting that large military companies be diversified, with plans to convert their defense production to other purposes during down-times.


63 posted on 04/02/2024 2:11:27 PM PDT by mbrfl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97

“You said that giving money to Israel …”

I said no such thing. Israel BORROWS money, buys American goods with it, and then pays the money back over time with interest.

That is in no sense of the word a “gift”.

L


64 posted on 04/02/2024 2:55:04 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97

How’s your Arabic?

How’s the Arabic of anyone you know who fully supports the U.S.?

How well could they fit in in a government job in an Islamic middle eastern country?

Anyway... There are all sorts of different opinions about things and you have registered yours.

Let’s hope the millions of people who hate the U.S. don’t have their way with “Big Satan.”

Israel doesn’t hate us. They are extremely important allies.


65 posted on 04/02/2024 3:02:19 PM PDT by golux
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: mbrfl

“...with plans to convert their defense production to other purposes during down-times.”

Trust me on this, there is zero other purposes for 90% of military equipment. Let’s start with encryption. That’s an absolute no. Then there’s what the equipment is produced from, military parts most of which have no dual use. There’s no need, for example, for parts that have a full mil range temperature and those are EXPENSIVE. There usually aren’t any civilian substitutes. And where exactly would you alternatively use a frequency hopping radio? Stuff designed specifically for the military, for the most part, can’t be economically built for some other purpose. Also, none of the parts for a vehicle or carried item can be used for anything else. The boxes in your car or on a civilian plane are engineered differently and use different non-mil (less expensive and more generally available) technology. You may be shocked to find this out. Despite some of the amazing things the military tech can do is built from old, often out of production stuff that’s a generation or two behind the civilian market. Stuff built for a cell phone is built entirely by automation and from cutting edge parts. This is so because cell phones are built in the hundreds of millions. Car parts are built in the tens of thousands. Stuff for the military is generally built in the tens, if you have a wonderful contract. I’ve built stuff that was just a one-off. The price tag comes with a rocket attached.

Military companies are very difficult to run. A lot of the places I worked had just one...one, production contract. A fubar like Congress is pulling now with the budget would probably mean we’d have gone out of business. Military companies do not finance stuff on the off hope that Congress will authorize the purchase when the get off their ass and fund it. Often, somebody decides they don’t need it and you just wasted a million dollars. (Incidentally, it’s against the law to build anything for the military that isn’t funded.)

On the budget now, that everyone wants stopped because it does or does not do something, it’s been held up long enough that companies I have worked for would have gone under by now. That means laying off people who can’t be easily replaced. Once you shut down a factory you have a huge restart price. The fact there was no budget for so long is going to have very bad long-term impacts. We, the people are going to pay much, much more because Congress played politics with the budget.

Not one article I’ve read even addressed the horrible outcomes of this political snafu.


66 posted on 04/02/2024 3:22:27 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: Lurker
I said no such thing. Israel BORROWS money,

Are you saying that America never gives money to Israel?

67 posted on 04/02/2024 3:36:12 PM PDT by Angelino97
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: jjotto
Israel’s nukes came from French Jewish scientists.

And it got the uranium to build up their nukes from apartheid South Africa.

The white South Africans mightily blessed Israel. And yet today they are being murdered by the thousands.

Where are their blessings for having blessed Israel?

68 posted on 04/02/2024 3:41:05 PM PDT by Angelino97
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: Gen.Blather

Point taken about the lack of dual use purposing for military hardware. I was thinking more along the lines of separate product lines to which production could be shifted, during periods of slow defense spending. Maybe there should be a requirement that any company involved in defense production for the U.S. be required to be diversified with perhaps 60% of its production devoted to non-defense production.

I realize there are many complexities involved, but one way another Congress needs to make some attempt to de-incentivize defense production for its own sake, while also ensuring that the country is adequately provided with the best military equipment in the world. It’s a tall order. But what choice do we have but to try to find a solution?


69 posted on 04/02/2024 3:47:15 PM PDT by mbrfl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97

“Are you saying that America never gives money to Israel?”

I never said that. Now go hump someone else’s leg.

L


70 posted on 04/02/2024 3:47:56 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: Gen.Blather

In the long run, it would probably be cheaper and in the best interests of society, to keep vital production lines active and store the surplus in a warehouse somewhere, or even dismantle it once it’s been produced, in order to ensure the production expertise isn’t lost but without having to arm the rest of the world to the teeth in order to do so. The money “wasted” would be well worth it. We spend billions on a standing army, navy, marines, AF with the hope that they never have to be used but so we know that they’re there if needed. It’s an insurance policy. The same view should be taken towards defense spending, generally.


71 posted on 04/02/2024 4:05:34 PM PDT by mbrfl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97

Even Christians and Mohammads like you understand punishment and reward is ultimately settled in the Hereafter.


72 posted on 04/02/2024 4:07:33 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97

Simple. We’ll pay for it by paying for it. Cash. Israeli taxpayers do provide that for exactly such purchases as this. This is not the biggest arms sale in history for us, just the biggest recently. We always pay.

So much for the rest of your idiotic rant.


73 posted on 04/02/2024 4:43:01 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DownInFlames
Only problem is the F-15 isn’t produced anymore, it was DCd in 2019.

That must be news to the USAF, Boeing and a few foreign buyers. The USAF recently ordered 104 of them. 6 have been delivered, 98 to go. Several foreign sales are either recently fulfilled or in process. The USAF's newest version is the F-15EX Eagle II.

74 posted on 04/02/2024 10:59:02 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: All
Oh money de-joo-money. Thanks for reaffirming your fascism angino97
75 posted on 04/03/2024 10:27:16 AM PDT by Freeleesy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97
US aid to Israel is a way of controlling Israel and the region. It means we can bully Israel into doing suicidal things and get their military staff to make the case internally for the US. It means we can undermine the Israeli arms industry, decreasing competition for US foreign sales. It means we can veto any Israeli weapons sale we want. It's a pretty good deal for the US.
Are we giving the F-15EX fighters to Israel? Not from what I have seen.

PS. Where were you when the OBama and Biden regimes gave over 100 billion to Iran and are still giving them billions?

76 posted on 04/04/2024 3:39:20 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97

Stauffer is either a idiot, believes he has a right to lie, or is on the Qatari or Iranian payroll and has to lie. US military aid is first and foremost a way of controlling Israel, Egypt, and Jordan. It also helps prevent any country dominating the region other than the US, maintaining the petrodollar.


77 posted on 04/04/2024 3:44:17 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: rmlew

If foreign aid is so detrimental to Israel, why do they lobby so much for it? Why not just say no?

And I don’t think we gave $100 billion of our money to Iran. We simply unfroze their assets. Might not be a good idea, but it’s not foreign aid.


78 posted on 04/04/2024 4:28:57 AM PDT by Angelino97
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: SJackson

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/04/israel-security-forces-foil-isis-linked-plot-to-carry-out-jihad-massacres-in-jerusalem

We don’t hear, since Biden opposes Israel


79 posted on 04/06/2024 7:28:48 AM PDT by combat_boots
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97

https://gellerreport.com/2024/04/28-israeli-embassies-around-the-world-closed-on-friday-due-to-iranian-threats.html/


80 posted on 04/06/2024 7:33:09 AM PDT by combat_boots
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson