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Biden set to sell up to 50 F-15 fighter jets to Israel for $18 billion in biggest arms sale to Tel Aviv since start of war against Hamas
Daily Mail ^ | April 1, 2024 | Nick Allen

Posted on 04/02/2024 9:49:12 AM PDT by Angelino97

The White House is set to approve an $18 billion arms sale to Israel including several dozen F-15 fighter planes.

It would be the biggest arms sale by Washington to Tel Aviv since the start of Israel's war against Hamas on October 7.

The sale has been under consideration since the United States received a formal request in January 2023.

Speeding up the delivery was among the main requests from Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant when he visited Washington last week.

Gallant held talks with U.S. officials including Biden's National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.

The F-15s need to be built and would not arrive in Israel for several years.

Israel wants to increase its air power not just to fight Hamas but to deter the threat from Iran and its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah.

The military package includes a large number of F-15 aircraft, aircraft munitions and support services, training, maintenance, and many years of contractor support during the lifecycle of the aircraft, which could be up to two decades.

CNN reported that the agreement may include up to 50 F-15s.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: f15; gaza; israel; war
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To: montag813

How do you know this? Links?


41 posted on 04/02/2024 11:52:09 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

Links? Try reading the article.


42 posted on 04/02/2024 12:07:00 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: mbrfl
I did. No mention of how Israel would pay for it. No mention of increased aid, but no assurance that this isn't an aid package. The article is silent on the issue.

It simply says that Israel is "buying" the planes. But Israel often "buys" with our money.

43 posted on 04/02/2024 12:12:16 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

Israel didn’t build nukes. We gave the nukes to them.


44 posted on 04/02/2024 12:13:18 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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To: faithhopecharity

The Biden-Regime/Military-Industrial-Complex doesn’t want to see the conflict end, which is why they’re trying to hand-cuff Israel. But they have no problem if it continues indefinitely. There are billions to be made.


45 posted on 04/02/2024 12:13:55 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: mbrfl

Agreed


46 posted on 04/02/2024 12:17:14 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They're excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: Angelino97

The word “sale” was the give-away (no pun intended). “Sale” means receiving something of value in exchange for money. There was no mention of additional aid.


47 posted on 04/02/2024 12:19:22 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: Angelino97

That only happened once to my knowledge. Since then Israel has paid back every loan with interest.

They use that money to buy American made stuff. That employs Americans.

Pretty simple, really.

L


48 posted on 04/02/2024 12:45:24 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Angelino97

Arms to Israel is basically a payment from the US .gov to US military contractors.

Israel is just the middle man.

All the “policy” debate disguises this simple fact.


49 posted on 04/02/2024 12:49:07 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Lurker
They use that money to buy American made stuff. That employs Americans.

I already responded to that argument.

All domestic welfare -- Medicaid, EBT cards, Covid checks, food stamps, money for illegals, arts grants, reparations for blacks -- it all goes to buy American made stuff. Which employs Americans.

Yet I doubt you'd use that argument to justify domestic welfare. So please don't use it to justify foreign welfare.

50 posted on 04/02/2024 12:54:51 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: mbrfl

BEST COMMENT!


51 posted on 04/02/2024 12:57:34 PM PDT by cowboyusa (AT THIS POINT, I'M WARMING TO AN AMERICAN PINOCHETE. )
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To: Angelino97

Welfare is giving people for nothing with no expectations of it being paid back.

Your logic, piss poor as it is, would categorize a mortgage as “welfare”.

So nice try. Better luck next time.

L


52 posted on 04/02/2024 12:58:16 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Angelino97
It would be the biggest arms sale by Washington to Tel Aviv

Tel Aviv? I thought the capitol of Israel was Jerusalem?

53 posted on 04/02/2024 12:58:17 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In the conflict between the stone and the stream, the stream will always prevail.)
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To: Angelino97
No, Israel is not the front line.

The U.S. intelligence community disagrees as do all I have met in all of our service branches.
54 posted on 04/02/2024 1:07:21 PM PDT by golux
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To: Lurker
Welfare is giving people for nothing with no expectations of it being paid back.

Your logic, piss poor as it is...

You've switched your argument. You said that giving money to Israel was good for our economy because it's spent in the U.S. But your "logic" also justifies black reparations, and all welfare, because it's spent in the U.S.

So now you want to divert away from your "economic benefit" argument. You say it's not welfare, because Israel "pays back" the money we give it.

Has Israel "paid back" the trillions it's cost us over the decades?

News to me.

55 posted on 04/02/2024 1:20:57 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Milagros

Only problem is the F-15 isn’t produced anymore, it was DCd in 2019.


56 posted on 04/02/2024 1:22:26 PM PDT by DownInFlames (p)
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To: golux
The U.S. intelligence community disagrees

I think this is the first I've read anyone on FR approvingly cite the U.S. intelligence community as proof of anything.

57 posted on 04/02/2024 1:22:45 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Fledermaus

>>”Israel didn’t build nukes. We gave the nukes to them.”

Who is this “we” you speak of? Try educating yourself.

The Israeli’s started preliminary work on nuclear weapons research in the early 1950’s. As France was also developing their program at that time, there was significant cooperation between the two countries.

At this point, it’s worth noting that a number of Jewish scientists played pivotal roles in developing the field of nuclear physics generally, and the development of the American nuclear program, particularly. Robert Oppenheimer and Edward Teller (known as the father of the hydrogen bomb), are two well-known examples. In the field of nuclear physics, the concept of a nuclear chain-reaction was first hypothesized by Leo Szilard, a Hungarian Jew. Nuclear fission was discovered not long after by Lise Meitner and her nephew Otto Frisch, both Jewish physicists.

In 1957, an agreement was finalized for France to provide a nuclear reactor to Israel. The terms of the agreement were never made public. This cooperation between France and Israel occurred during a time in which the French government had a particularly pro-Israel foreign policy. This was in the aftermath of the nationalization of the Suez canal by Egyptian leader Nassar, which had brought the two countries closer, out of common interest.

In 1958, after De Gaulle became president, relations between the two countries cooled, but the process had already begun and was allowed to continue, with the stipulation that the Israelis declare their nuclear program to be peaceful.

While Israel received assistance from France for its reactor and purchased most of its uranium from Argentina, it developed its own weapon systems at the Negev Nuclear Research Center, near the city of Dimona, in Israel. While Israel says little, publicly, about its nuclear weapons program, it’s believed to have produced its first functional nuclear weapon in December, 1966.


58 posted on 04/02/2024 1:30:22 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: Fledermaus

Neutron bomb. Samuel T. Cohen.

Israel’s nukes came from French Jewish scientists.


59 posted on 04/02/2024 1:41:47 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: mbrfl

Your narrative forgot to mention a critical actor.

The Israelis did not forget:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1987/12/05/the-secret-ceremony/d8d30dab-fe95-4ba0-b52f-c50a04795b77/

https://archive.is/4LnQs overrides paywalls if you need that.

The money quote:

“Angleton reportedly aided Israel in obtaining technical nuclear data.”

Imho he did a lot more than that.


60 posted on 04/02/2024 1:45:31 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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