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CIA estimated 50% chance that Russia would nuke Ukraine if it risked losing war
NY Post ^ | 3/10/24 | Ronny Reyes

Posted on 03/11/2024 8:55:37 AM PDT by hardspunned

The Biden administration scrambled behind the scenes to prepare for the imminent possibility that Russia would use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, a shocking new report revealed.

In 2022, the CIA warned President Biden of a 50% change or higher that Russia would reach for its nuclear arsenal if it found its forces were decimated and the illegally annexed territory of Crimea was at risk, according to the New York Times.

Those reports caused Biden to deliver his famous “Armageddon” speech at an Oct. 6, 2022, fundraiser in New York City, in which he warned, “We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections; Russia; Ukraine; War; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: biden; bidenisputinsally; bidenswar; cia; eussr; fourthreich; hehasnochoice; minorincursion; molotovribbentrop; nato; newmolotovribbentrop; nukes; russia; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; vlad; war; weaponizedcia; worldwariii; ww3
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To: hardspunned

[“We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis.”]

Actually it was possible in October, 1973. Richard Perle(?) said so and I believe his reasons were quite valid.


81 posted on 03/11/2024 12:04:23 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: JonPreston

[Glenn Beck]

I will never completely trust his motivations again.

I typed, awkwardly. LOL


82 posted on 03/11/2024 12:09:58 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: hardspunned
--- "In 2022" CIA? Old news repeated by the NYPost? More recently....
CIA maintains 12 secret bases in Ukraine, CIA head was in Kyiv last week – NYT Ukrainska Pravda

Sun, February 25, 2024 at 4:22 PM EST

"The NYT reports that before the full-scale war, the Ukrainians proved themselves to the Americans by collecting intercepted data that helped prove Russian involvement in the downing of the Malaysia Airlines jetliner in 2014. Ukrainians also helped Americans prosecute the Russian agents who interfered in the 2016 US presidential election.

Around 2016, the CIA began training an elite Ukrainian special forces unit known as Unit 2245, which captured Russian drones and communications equipment so that CIA technicians could reverse-engineer them and crack Moscow's encryption systems. According to the NYT, one of the officers in this unit was the current head of Defence Intelligence, Kyrylo Budanov.

The CIA also helped train a new generation of Ukrainian spies who worked in Russia, throughout Europe, and in Cuba and other places where Russians have a significant presence.

According to The New York Times, the details of the partnership between the Ukrainian and American intelligence agencies have been a closely guarded secret for a decade.

https://news.yahoo.com/cia-maintains-12-secret-bases-212250351.html

2024. CIA?
83 posted on 03/11/2024 12:10:52 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: monkeyshine; dfwgator

[That’s a 50% chance.]

Nordberg has a 50-50 chance of surviving.

Though there’s only a 10% chance of that.

When he gets better, he’s welcome back at Police Squad.

Unless of course he’s a drooling vegetable.

But I think that’s only common sense.


84 posted on 03/11/2024 12:12:37 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: elpadre

[a political statement to further some Biden administration position.]

Now that I could believe. Unfortunately.

I don’t trust much of any “official” source anymore. Especially not since COVID-19(84).


85 posted on 03/11/2024 12:18:14 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

It’s not when the report was completed or what it said, it’s the timing of the leak. The CIA does nothing but covertly, or in cases like this overtly, develop and push a political narrative. Again, why now?


86 posted on 03/11/2024 12:33:04 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

I have seen it through all these years just not out loud in DC. The ‘Progressives’ have entered the gate, captured valuable territory and now will hold while cutting off all supply lines to the opposition.


87 posted on 03/11/2024 12:41:59 PM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness. )
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To: Seruzawa

I’m a pilot. 95% of this country is void of people or their structures. I have ferried small sea planes from the Florida coast, to the Pacific Northwest and I could only fly in daylight hours. Low and slow. Same with night flying in twins and singles. Once you clear the coasts, there is very little in the middle.


88 posted on 03/11/2024 12:50:48 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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To: SaveFerris

The big difference in both those prior cases, we had leaders who recognized the danger and did everything possible to avoid WWIII. Today we have globohomos and neocons, drunk on absolute power, bumbling around either ignorant of the danger or hell bent on “winning” WWIII.


89 posted on 03/11/2024 1:04:12 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: JimRed

Anyone who’d actually support such madness is an absolute, foaming at the mouth, idiot. Don’t you have a clue what 6000 Russian nukes would do to America?!?


90 posted on 03/11/2024 1:07:17 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: ConservativeMind

The CIA is a very dangerous bunch of political hacks whose only real purpose is to further a political narrative. This 50/50 business is nonsense. Putin has made it unequivocally clear for years that WWIII would occur as a last resort to keep NATO out of Ukraine. It is a lead pipe certainty.


91 posted on 03/11/2024 1:11:36 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: JJBookman

The CIA is advancing some DC narrative. Just exactly what, I’m terrified to find out. This 50/50 business is nonsense. You can take Putin’s unequivocal promise of WWIII before NATO becomes established in Ukraine to the bank. It is a 100% certainty he would use nukes as a last resort. He has stated that fact over and over and over again.


92 posted on 03/11/2024 1:17:49 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

I can refute much of the threat with a simple question:

What possible targets could the Russians bomb?

Ukraine is about 360,000 square miles. Russian nuclear doctrine has long specified attacking *military* targets (though the US targets civilian cities). But unless military targets are “concentrated”, if they are not units, or are not military infrastructure, it’s not worth it to use nukes.

Importantly, the optimal size for any nuke they would use is likely limited to 25-50 kilotons(kt). That’s about the size of the bombs used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Back to area. Those bombs each destroyed all homes in about a 1-1/2 mile area.

Bottom line: Had Russia been willing to use nukes, it’s hard to imagine when in this war they would have been preferable to conventional weapons.


93 posted on 03/11/2024 1:28:31 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: blackdog

Correct. Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, etc are nearly empty. Though the ecowackos here act like we are teeming with overcrowding. Fools should try living in Japan or Hong Kong.


94 posted on 03/11/2024 2:02:48 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: hardspunned
--- "The CIA does nothing but covertly, or in cases like this overtly, develop and push a political narrative. Again, why now?"

My tentative conclusion? Mrs. Clinton is angling to be the replacement nominee again when Biden steps aside (or is forced to step aside). The other CIA-based messaging from well before the 2016 campaign was Russia-Russia-Russia, which Clinton was pushing. When Trump won a four year term, the message remained Russia-Russia-Russia, with Schiff and Cheney amplifying the message. Trump's campaign looks energized, so I expect "more of the same" is being messaged now with the hope of dominating the headlines for the next couple of months.

95 posted on 03/11/2024 2:08:51 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

You’re crazy!


96 posted on 03/11/2024 2:13:55 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

At this point it would be nice if they nuked Blue population centers. I know, too much. How about “Come quickly Jesus” it is getting all Sodom and Gomorrah down here, fast. I am frankly tired of the stench of corruption. If you can’t smell it, you are a Democ RAT


97 posted on 03/11/2024 2:42:24 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: hardspunned

This is the most dangerous time of American life. More dangerous by far than the 9/11 crap, or even Pearl Harbor. It is a close to as perilous as when Washington led the barefoot troops across the Delaware. We basically destroyed what at the time was a VERY strong hand of Britains army. Won the war, turned the tide, saved our great Country. We are close to that point, or worse right now. Instead of General Washington in charge, we have pedo Joe.


98 posted on 03/11/2024 2:48:22 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: elpadre

It serves “the blob”, which Michael Benz reports, and others too, is what the Deep state calls itself. It is ALL inclusive, including the military, to all Fed bureacracies and Judicial.


99 posted on 03/11/2024 2:50:40 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
...Mrs. Clinton is angling to be the replacement nominee...

Interesting, it sure would be payback for all the deference to, and career interference from, America's National Negro.

100 posted on 03/11/2024 3:16:54 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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