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What happens when Israel runs out of ammo?
Times of Israel ^ | 2/26/24 | Jesse Ferris

Posted on 02/26/2024 7:10:38 PM PST by Uncle Miltie

According to US intelligence analysis, the Israeli Air Force dropped more than 29,000 bombs on Gaza in the first two months of the war alone. The international media has seized on this figure as a symbol of the unprecedented destruction Israel is wreaking on Gaza. But for Israelis, it should be a wake-up call. Assuming that intensive bombardment on such a scale is necessary to dismantle the terror infrastructure of Hamas, the question arises: how certain are we that munitions of this scope will be at our disposal in a future war?

This is not just an Israeli conundrum. The fighting in Gaza, despite its unique characteristics, is merely the latest illustration of the dizzying pace of ammunition consumption in modern warfare. This is certainly true of the asymmetric fight against terrorist armies: in 2016, the US is estimated to have dropped more than 24,000 bombs on Syria and Iraq as part of the campaign against ISIS. Yet conventional ground warfare has become an ammunition sinkhole as well. The Russia-Ukraine war is the most prominent example. Less than a year into Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russians were forced to open 40-year-old ammunition depots and turn to Iran and North Korea for help to maintain the furious pace of artillery and rocket fire.

The Ukrainians, by contrast, were heavily reliant from the start on the supply of weapons from the West, especially the United States. Some numbers by way of illustration: so far, the US has supplied Ukraine with more than 2 million 155 mm artillery shells, 1.8 million 25 mm rounds, and 400 million rifle rounds and grenades. This comes in addition to advanced weapons systems, such as long-range rockets and anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, which are all vital to repelling the Russian army.

At this time, all eyes in Kyiv (and indeed in Jerusalem) are on Washington, where a political stalemate in Congress has held up the decision on a desperately needed $60 billion aid package for months. Yet even absent political constraints, the most generous American policy imaginable would fall short of providing all of Ukraine’s needs. In December 2022, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines revealed that Ukraine consumed five years of production of Javelin anti-aircraft missiles in the first 10 months of the war.

Nor is the gap between supply and demand limited to advanced weaponry. Artillery is a prime example. In the spring of 2023, the Ukrainian army’s rate of consumption of 155 mm shells stood at 6,000 to 8,000 per day, whereas American production output was about 15,000 per month. Since then, the US has ramped up production significantly, but even so, it is not expected to exceed 100,000 shells per month by October 2024. As it turns out, the artillery forces of the United States and its allies are almost completely dependent on the output of a single factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

These constraints explain why, in January 2023, the administration asked Israel to transfer 300,000 artillery shells from American stockpiles located in Israel to Ukraine. Of course, Israel herself now needs those stocks. Not to mention Tamir interceptors for Iron Dome, which are also manufactured in small quantities in the US, bombs, and spare parts for aircraft, tank shells, and so on. One does not need a security clearance to conclude that Israel’s military dependence on the United States is nearly absolute.

Sigh of relief?

Israelis will never forget the steadfast support of the United States in their difficult hour of need on October 7th and after. The airlift, the aircraft carriers, the presidential visit — all these will go down in history as testimony to the depth of America’s commitment to Israel. But the collective sigh of relief at the steadfastness of US support in the present crisis should prompt us to reconsider the assumption that we can or should rely on it in the future.

Reconsideration is due on three counts.

First, even when it comes to Israel’s most devoted friend — and it is hard to think of a more pro-Israel president than Joe Biden — dependence is dependence. And it comes at a price. When the US secretary of state lands at Ben Gurion Airport in wartime, above the list of demands he bears from the president hovers, unspoken, a threat to slow, suspend, or end the supply of armaments essential to the continued fighting. The Israeli government’s freedom of action is necessarily diminished as a consequence. That was true under a Republican president in 1973 and remains true under a Democratic president in 2023.Second, even the greatest power on earth, the “arsenal of democracy,” in President Roosevelt’s famous words, will not always be in a position to provide fully for the needs of its allies — whether because of its own needs or because of the competing needs of allies like Israel and Ukraine.The third cause for skepticism about Uncle Sam’s future generosity is that his continued support for his Jewish “nephew” can no longer be taken for granted. A poll taken in December revealed a troubling increase in the support of young Americans for Hamas and the Palestinians. The Democratic Party is already divided over support for Israel, with a sizable progressive faction increasingly alienated from Israel and its policies and already calling for the reduction of support for Israel. Meanwhile, the isolationist wing of the Republican Party is gaining strength, leading allies from London to Tokyo to wonder whether and when the US could abandon them.

It must be emphasized: Israel has no substitute for its alliance with the United States. Nevertheless, the present war forces upon us the question: is there a way to decrease Israel’s military dependence on America? This question can only be addressed seriously as part of a comprehensive post-war reflection that results in a revised security doctrine and a new grand strategy for Israel.

Meanwhile, here is one idea to kickstart the discussion. Israel can certainly do a better job of stockpiling munitions. It can also boost production of certain armaments. Israel alone will not be able to bear the costs of establishing an independent ammunition production capability, certainly not one capable of meeting all of the IDF’s needs in a future war — but Israel is not alone. Ukraine, as we have seen, is in the same boat. And not just Ukraine. In January 2023, when the US asked Israel to open emergency stockpiles for Ukraine, it made a similar request to another embattled democracy: South Korea. Although it is North Korea’s nuclear weapons that usually dominate the headlines, the immediate threat posed by Kim Jong Un is in the form of 6,000 artillery pieces aimed at Seoul and capable, according to estimates, of killing tens of thousands of civilians in the first hour of a war. Sound familiar?

As every Israeli understands, eliminating such a threat would require a massive air campaign sustained over the course of many weeks if not months. In other words, South Korea’s reliance on the US in a future war with their northern neighbor is absolute, just like Israel’s. And if you suspect this is the end of the list of democracies in a similar predicament, think of Japan, Taiwan, and Poland. There are others. But just the six countries mentioned above represent a cumulative GDP of over seven trillion dollars. What prevents a group of them from coming together — perhaps under US auspices — to build a joint defense production capability, complementary to the American one, in which each contributes its share and benefits from the fruits of the joint investment in times of crisis?

We can hope that the US continues to serve as the arsenal of democracy for many decades to come. We can pray for the future of bipartisan support for Israel. Indeed, we should do everything in our power to ensure it. But we must not bet on it. It is time for Israel to convene America’s allies and figure out together how to reduce their shared dependence on Uncle Sam.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
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To: Lurker

I suspect it had to be said to get past the censors.


21 posted on 02/26/2024 7:59:50 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“”””As it turns out, the artillery forces of the United States and its allies are almost completely dependent on the output of a single factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania.”””’

I don’t get that since a number of our allies make 155mm shells Canada, Britain, Germany, Japan and others although I haven’t found a nice neat list.

“In Europe, there are at least 13 defense companies across 12 states within the EU, UK and Norway able to produce 155mm ammunition, according to defense think tank IISS.”


22 posted on 02/26/2024 8:03:00 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Spktyr

Those supposedly unreliable old munitions are killing many Russian soldiers. The videos of strikes with the munitions show a situation no infantry troops want to be in.


23 posted on 02/26/2024 8:08:23 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: ansel12

Another reason that modern media is nearly useless. Only rarely do the writers have a clue about the topic they are writing about.


24 posted on 02/26/2024 8:09:19 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: wildcard_redneck
And these idiots think that they can take on China?

The economy of China depends on exports, many of which are headed to the United States, and most of which are headed to the USA and its allies.

The biggest risk to China is a disruption in trade.

Any war they start will lead to vast economic disruption for them and everybody else.

All the artillery in the world won't save their container ships full of exports if they are at war with their own customers.

25 posted on 02/26/2024 8:11:58 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Uncle Miltie

Israel will be just fine, because everyone in Israel has guns. It’s just like Switzerland.

Yeah, they have screwed themselves. Nearly everyone spends time in the military, then are not allowed to own a gun.


26 posted on 02/26/2024 8:13:00 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

It’s asymmetrical warfare.


27 posted on 02/26/2024 8:14:38 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“As it turns out, the artillery forces of the United States and its allies are almost completely dependent on the output of a single factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania. “

I hope they have an extremely tight security because that plant would be a prime terrorist target.


28 posted on 02/26/2024 8:19:06 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants ( "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."- Mark Twain)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Use all the ammo they captured. Use the millions of dollars they recovered to buy more.


29 posted on 02/26/2024 8:21:39 PM PST by roving (Deplorable Listless Vessel Trumpist With Trumpitis and a Rainbow Bully)
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To: freeandfreezing

The pinheads of the past use to say the same thing about Germany and Japan. You have a small mind even further limited by a tragic case of normalcy bias.

I am not the one saying we will have a war with Chine, it is the reptiles in our government and the chattering class. At the end of the day China needs America less and less and eventually will move to take us down a peg because they will have outgrown us thanks to the idiots leading us.


30 posted on 02/26/2024 8:24:42 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Lurker

I find it both amusing that so many of us who read the article got that one assertion stuck right in our throats!

A completely asinine statement.

I have been a huge admirer of the Israelis for my whole life. I support nearly every thing they do over there, especially when they kick the asses of people who murder them, often because they are the same people who murder us.

The fact that Joe Biden (Well, his handlers) are putting huge pressures on Israel to stop tells you just exactly how “pro-Israel” Joe Biden and his acolytes really are.

If they were really “pro-Israel” they would be backing them in their campaign against Hamas, not trying to set them up for another slaughter.


31 posted on 02/26/2024 8:29:52 PM PST by rlmorel ("The stigma for being wrong is gone, as long as you're wrong for the right side." (Clarice Feldman))
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To: freeandfreezing

This is about a second American factory.

“Two companies will produce the next batch of artillery shells for the Army, the Defense Department announced Wednesday.
American Ordnance and General Dynamics Ordnance & Tactical Systems will manufacture 155mm M1128 projectiles for $974 million by an estimated completion date of Sept. 26, 2028.”

South Korea makes them also. “The 155 mm artillery rounds are produced by South Korea’s Poongsan Corp.”


32 posted on 02/26/2024 8:30:52 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
“”””As it turns out, the artillery forces of the United States and its allies are almost completely dependent on the output of a single factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania.”””’

Lunchbucket Xoe's home town?

Who'd have thunk?

33 posted on 02/26/2024 8:31:32 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

It is for times like theses the IDF theoretically has access to nuclear weapons.


34 posted on 02/26/2024 8:42:29 PM PST by Billyv ( Ephesians 6:11 for we battle not against flesh and blood...Pray for our leaders and nation )
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To: Uncle Miltie

It is for times like theses the IDF theoretically has access to nuclear weapons.


35 posted on 02/26/2024 8:42:36 PM PST by Billyv ( Ephesians 6:11 for we battle not against flesh and blood...Pray for our leaders and nation )
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To: ClearCase_guy

The temperature in Teheran will briefly exceed 1 million degrees.

(Hey,a guy can dream!)

CC


36 posted on 02/26/2024 8:43:36 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Vendome

Worked the last time Jews had problems with philistinians.

CC


37 posted on 02/26/2024 8:45:44 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Start using nukes, of course!


38 posted on 02/26/2024 8:57:08 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Inter arma enim silent leges! - Cicero )
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To: Uncle Miltie

Bombs.


39 posted on 02/26/2024 9:25:54 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Jerusalem has the wherewithal to just advise Blinken that it’s plan B time. Or plan C or D or E

Weapons that don’t depend on foreign supplies


40 posted on 02/26/2024 9:38:24 PM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They're excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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