Posted on 11/09/2023 12:50:43 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Ohio is the latest state trounced by pro-abortion activists after the fall of Roe v. Wade last year, with voters choosing to codify the “right” to abortion in their state constitution on Tuesday.
After the fall of Roe, which had invented a federal “right” to abortion in the Constitution, abortion was returned to individual states and their elected representatives, changing the nature of the struggle between the pro-life movement and the abortion industry. Pro-abortion organizations and activists, backed by the affiliates of large left-wing organizations like Planned Parenthood and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), have stealthily turned to ballot measures in the hopes of shoring up and even growing the abortion complex in the shift from federal to state power.
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They have lots of money and will be doing these bills nationwide to bring out the young vote in 2024
Those who would murder God’s Gift in the womb will have to answer for it on their last day.
Roe v Wade deserved to fall. But the rats understood that they now had 50 individual battles to fight while our side apparently thought overturning Roe would be the end of it.
More power was returned to the people to determine the fate of abortion. It was up to both sides to fight hard to convince them of the merits. One side engaged, one side has not.
The rats are engaging in a one-sided battle. We may as well be forfeiting.
Although based on the arguments about abortion on Free Republic, there is no consensus about what should be done about abortion in our political system.
Another issue is that many conservatives really don’t want strict bans on abortion.
Consider Ohio as an example. Trump carried Ohio by a comfortable margin. The liberalized abortion law passed by a comfortable margin. Thus, we can easily see, that a good number of Trump supporters also voted for liberalized abortion.
I believe abortion is immoral. So do others, but many Americans disagree. Frankly, pro-life organizations have pushed too far. It’s sort of like prohibition. Any law that does not have clear majority support will be ignored, fail, or be enforced by force (government). Americans simply do not support outlawing abortion under all circumstances. As someone who wants to save babies, the goal should be passing popular, commonsense restrictions on abortion. By pushing for a total ban, we fail and end up seeing more abortions.
Soros spent millions to convice women that abortion until birth, a very Hamas-like practice, is good and it passed by a large majority. My wife and I are Catholic and voted against it.
Getting rid of Roe needed to happen as it handcuffed states that want pro life laws. That said Pro Lifers need to be open to the possibility that they are not the dominant culture in this country and if they want to save babies they have to change the culture before the laws. Trying to work the other way around will result in many Ohio’s.
Men can not have unprotected sex without any worries of romance, commitment or financial responsibility. Is this a victory for Women?
I can’t remember who said it, but the Republicans need to start showing videos of actual abortions.
Now think of that number: 60. Two generations of Americans accepted the New Morality in which they were free to grant their sexual favors when and to whom they pleased. The Disco era in the Seventies saw young people dancing at clubs, taking someone home and spending the night in sexual bliss – all without strings attached. Sexual freedom, once attained, is a hard thing to give up.
The battle over abortion actually began in the Fifties among married women who were having six or seven children when they only wanted two or three. They weren’t particularly impressed by the clergy who told them that was their destiny.
By the late Sixties, the battle to legalize abortion met up with the New Morality in the states, where legislatures, fearing the power of the churches, handed the issue to the people via a referendum. The voters spoke, and abortion restrictions fell in state after state via the initiative and referendum mechanisms.
The battle royale was New York state where it had to be fought in the legislature. New York doesn't use the initiative and only uses the referendum for bond issues. This was a knock-down, drag-out brawl that played out at family dinner tables. The legislature loosened restrictions, and Gov. Rockefeller signed them into law. Abortion opponents threatened consequences at the next election but only showed how toothless they were when nothing happened.
The US Supreme Court should have stayed out of it by refusing to accept Roe v. Wade and punting it back to the Texas courts. This would have initiated a great national debate over abortion similar to the one over civil rights in the Sixties, a genuine knock-down, drag-out brawl. The final result would have been a National Reproductive Rights Act that legalized abortion in some or most cases, but at least it would have come from elected lawmakers responsible to the voters and not men in black robes.
Fifty years ago, the Supreme Court legislated a national right to abortion-on-demand-and-without-apology by judicial fiat. Now think of that number: 50. Two generations of Americans came to believe they had a constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy at any time and for any reason. Men and women were glad to have abortion as a backstop for sexual freedom.
Most opposed to abortion fail to understand that abortion itself has become part of the very fabric of American life. For the average American female, there are three rites of passage:
Shocked? People conversant with the morality of the Fifties would regard this sexual anarchy as a form of societal madness. But it has become part of the fabric of life. Marriage itself has changed as an institution. The stigma of divorce has vanished insofar as half of all marriages end that way. Multiple marriages during a lifetime are a normal fact of life.
Most arguments against abortion are based on strong religious belief. Catholics used to be the largest faith in America, but now Unbelief has replaced them as Number One. Unbelief is also the fastest growing "religion" in America. God the Hairy Thunderer has been replaced by God the Cosmic Muffin. It’s hard to make a religious argument when so many have put religion aside for a secular or so-called “spiritual” approach. Threats of retribution in an afterlife don’t work when so many reject that premise.
To end abortion, you need to convince people to end sexual freedom, erase the Sixties and return to an earlier, traditional frame of morality. That’s a hard sell. Once the sexual freedom cat is out of the bag, as a rule it doesn't want to go back in.
I don’t think it is a win for anybody but my perspective now is a lot different than as a young man. It takes a lot of wisdom to overcome the allure of a libertine lifestyle. We used to have a Judeo-Christian culture that provided some guardrails to the young/unwise but those have been eroded.
I disagree with your statement. The whole idea for Roe vs. Wade being voided was so that EACH individual state could and should make their own decision and it has never been a Federal responsibility to make such a decision (not their job.) Who here can tell me that a woman looks forward to an abortion? I am of the opinion that after 90 days the child should be put up for adoption and we as a society should go back to having homes for expectant mothers as opposed to the situation we have now. Think about the type of person who calls himself a “Doctor” tearing a human fetus up piece by piece doing a late term abortion? That type of human is void of any emotion and is certainly not interested in God or his teachings.
You arent in the minority. People who want it completely banned or limited in most instances still consistently outpoll (by 10%) those who want it legal in all or most instances (its 50+ pro life versus 40+ pro death). Their side has just been better at showing up on election day & eager to vote 😉
The following state have these amendments on the ballot next year.
2024
Arizona Abortion Access Act Amendment (2024)
Colorado Abortion Ban Initiative (2024)
Colorado Right to Abortion and Health Insurance Coverage Initiative (2024)
Florida Prohibit Laws Restricting Abortion Initiative (2024) (cancelled)
Iowa No State Constitutional Right to Abortion Amendment (2024)
Missouri Regulations Regarding Abortion Amendment (2024)
Missouri Right to Reproductive Freedom Amendment (2024)
Nebraska Prohibit Abortion Procedures and Drugs Initiative (2024)
Nevada Right to Reproductive Freedom Amendment (2024)
Pennsylvania No State Constitutional Right to Abortion Amendment (2024)
South Dakota Right to Abortion Amendment (2024)
The correct response is to do exactly what the left would do. Put another referendum on the ballot next election cycle and make it clearly pro-life, worded in such a way that most people will agree with it. You only need 50% +1 to change the constitution in Ohio.
No Crusade it’s still a state issue they won’t be able to make the feds going back to foot the bill for their murders.
The have their 15 minutes of fame for now.
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