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The aftermath of Hamas’s attack on Israel has exposed the West’s moral collapse
The Telegraph ^ | October 20, 2023 | Douglas Murray

Posted on 10/21/2023 10:04:14 AM PDT by silent majority rising

There is a good rule about anti-Semitism. One reason it isn’t better known is because its best expression comes at the mid-point of the 20th century’s towering work of historical fiction: Life and Fate, by Vasily Grossman.

That novel, which takes the reader from the Battle of Stalingrad to the Nazi death camps, traverses the entire dark heart of the 20th century. Yet in the very middle of its 900 pages, the great Russian writer examines the question of anti-Semitism. He says almost everything.

Anti-Semitism is something which, as Grossman writes, can be met “in the marketplace and in the Academy, in the soul of an old man and in the games children play in the yard”. He describes it as always a means rather than an end, “a measure of the contradictions yet to be resolved”.

And here is the key point. “It is a mirror for the failings of individuals, social structures and state systems. Tell me what you accuse the Jews of, I’ll tell you what you are guilty of.”

I can’t tell you how many times in my life I have seen this. And never more than in the past fortnight.

Look at the protests against Israel that have erupted across Europe since the Hamas massacres two weeks ago today. There were no mass rallies in solidarity with the Jews who had been gunned down at a music festival, shot in the head at a bus stop, or decapitated in front of their parents.

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TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; books; douglasmurray; europe; hh2; israel; lifeandfate; vasilygrossman
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To: silent majority rising

How did we get to the anti-Semitic aspect of moral collapse? A few weeks after the attack on 9/11 the Left became concerned that Americans would become Islamophobic. This immediately resulted in Muslims achieving permanent victim status. At that point rather than exercising appropriate levels of caution the Left began encouraging the wholesale importation of Muslims into the United States. No doubt to virtue signal tolerance, acceptance and lack of prejudice for an ideology that hates America and wants to destroy it. The co-location of mass numbers of Islamics in cities and Universities across America, thus begat the election of “The Squad”. Also not surprisingly, a huge increase in the support on college campuses of anti-Semitism and the support of terrorism against Jews and Israel. Now the Left is starting to support the mass immigration of Islamics from Gaza, so the situation will no doubt become dramatically worse.


21 posted on 10/21/2023 11:47:00 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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To: Leaning Right

The “new jews” in Biden’s Amerika are gun owning white male conservatives, and ditto for non-whites of the same mind.


22 posted on 10/21/2023 11:53:54 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: silent majority rising

I was a business partner in a very successful business for over 30 years with a Jew. He was a very tough and demanding man.

But, one day, we were relaxing and having a couple of drinks and he started talking about Masada (battle of). We had NEVER talked about religion. The more he talked the more emotional he got with tears and everything.

He died about 5 years ago. I’ve never understood the hostility towards Jews. He was a good man and a great partner. Always did what he said he was going to do and as Call said about Deets...........”he never shirked a task”.


23 posted on 10/21/2023 11:56:53 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: dfwgator
And of all of those countries, Israel is by far the best country for an Arab to live in, as long as you aren’t a terrorist.

No doubt! The same could be said for the USA, the way it used to be before the criminal known as biden allowed 12 million illegal invaders in. His entire goal has been to wipe out the middle class and destroy everything that made America great. He is in fact the exact opposite of Trump who has one goal, to make America great for anyone who is willing to work and make the effort as long as they are here legally.

24 posted on 10/21/2023 11:58:04 AM PDT by Boomer (Winter is coming...)
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To: silent majority rising

Today in DC

https://twitter.com/amymek/status/1715648672963444908?s=42&t=lgxNkty1S4TEFNV5AZl_PQ


25 posted on 10/21/2023 11:59:52 AM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell.)
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To: silent majority rising

Enormous pro-palestinian protest in London today. It’s true - the more things change the more they stay the same.


26 posted on 10/21/2023 12:07:52 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man)
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To: Cen-Tejas
Always did what he said he was going to do and as Call said about Deets...........”he never shirked a task”.

A mensch...

27 posted on 10/21/2023 12:10:29 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man)
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To: Red6

Just wow...The Romans killed Jesus. Why do you say Pilot didn’t want to kill him? Really? Is that your feeling, or did you read that somewhere? Pilot looked at him as an instigator and a risk for rebellion. but, alas, you are stating the record as it has been presented since 326 a.d., so you are making the case why so many folks are anti-semitic. And the Romans didn’t stop with Jesus or the Jews. They killed as many Christians as Jews until the modern church formed in 326. I do have a question for you though. If God canceled his covenant with gentiles because of Jesus, then what makes you think that your covenant through Jesus is valid? However, you do use sources that are noted for their anti-semitism: Reuters, Wikipedia, christianity.com, and my favorite, Daily Mail. No wonder the world is anti-semitic. Christians have killed far more Jews that Muslims ever did. In any war. In any peace.


28 posted on 10/21/2023 12:45:39 PM PDT by richardtavor ( )
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To: silent majority rising

You’re absolutely right about this, but I still cannot understand it.


29 posted on 10/21/2023 12:48:08 PM PDT by Savage Beast (TRUTH is a terrifying thing to behold when trapped in a web of delusion.)
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To: silent majority rising
Liberal Boomer Jews forced institutional diversity on every institution in the Western world.

Now the brown people running everything, it turns out, don't like Jews.

30 posted on 10/21/2023 12:50:46 PM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President. A conservative who fights and wins..)
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To: Rummyfan

Yes.


31 posted on 10/21/2023 12:53:20 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: Drew68

Now the brown people running everything, it turns out, don’t like Jews.
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All of those “running everything”, regardless of color, are running it all into the ground.


32 posted on 10/21/2023 12:56:01 PM PDT by JCL3 (As Richard Feynman might have said, this is reality taking precedence over public relations.)
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To: silent majority rising

We should have known when the polls continued to show that the student loan deadbeats hated America and American patriots. The ones who said America never was great although the azho refugeez walked 2000 miles to wade across the RIO GRANDE and sneak in.


33 posted on 10/21/2023 1:00:25 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Real Country Singing Stars aren't given Grammys by the retarded, "woke" left. Nobody has to resign.)
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To: richardtavor

First off, I don’t have any issues with Jews or Israel. I’m just listing the historical arguments used by those that did have issues with them.

Pilot washed his hands (he saw Jesus without guilt) and tried several times to save Jesus in a round about way, giving him an out. In order to keep the peace he was forced to go along with the Jews that wanted Jesus killed.

Some sources:

(more secular) https://www.history.com/news/why-pontius-pilate-executed-jesus

(more Christian) https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/why-did-pontius-pilate-allow-jesus-to-be-crucified.html or https://www.gotquestions.org/Crucify-Him.html

I am not sure where you came up with the idea that Pilot wanted Jesus killed. That was NEVER the Christian perspective. He reluctantly went along with it.

On another note-

The Romans killed a lot of people, even each other, even their own brothers and sisters. They were a violent bunch which respected and even adored strength. Don’t use the modern homo, self victimized, sheepish world view when looking at them.

From their stories about their origin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus to family life, their art, men were presented as bold, courageous, strong in the pictures and sculptures. Everything was big, and just for entertainment roughly 400,000 people perished in the Coliseum - most were not Christians.

If you want to become someone, prove yourself in battle as a soldier or conquer Gaul and maybe you can even rise to be Cesar. The folks riding chariots at Circus Maximus (many died), the Gladiators, they were like the modern day rock star. This was a culture that was OK with spilling blood i.e. little concern for “micro concussions” from football, or having ones feelings hurt with a verbal assault: https://quinnanlaw.com/domestic-violence/verbal-abuse-crime-california/


34 posted on 10/21/2023 1:42:57 PM PDT by Red6
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To: MinorityRepublican
The West is dead. We won’t see them stand up against Islamofascism. Many nations in the West may not survive 20 years from now. Sweden? France? Canada? They may all fall to Muslims.

I think because of World War II, there was such a knee jerk reaction that pushed the pendulum so far that any pride in the West is seen as being like a fascist or a Nazi and the left has hooked on to this. We also lost a lot of good men and people during the two wars too. I do fear what I see is going on in Europe, Canada and even here with losing our culture to massive immigration, especially Islam. I don't buy the multi-cultural line at all, many times, I believe borders and fences do make good neighbors or at least not all cultures are made to be mixed together.

At some point, there will be a latter day Charles Martel(s) who will rise up, the question is when. Like Claire Wolfe, when are we past that awkward stage? I did talk to a school teacher who had a couple of exchange students from Germany. They said their parents hate seeing what is going on in Germany but they are afraid to speak up about but she went on where the kids say, "we will take care of them when we get older."
35 posted on 10/21/2023 4:17:58 PM PDT by MrLucky1966 (GOVT.SYS CORRUPTED! RUN GUN.COM? (Y/Y) GUN.COM NOT FOUND, EXECUTE BASEBALL.BAT? (Y/Y))
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