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Math disaster in college: Would-be STEM majors can't add 1/2 + 1/3
Joanne Jacobs ^ | Sep 6, 2023 | Joanne Jacobs

Posted on 10/07/2023 3:40:59 AM PDT by george76

After a year of remote algebra, Diego Fonseca struggled with advanced algebra. Despite a week at George Mason University's Math Boot Camp, the would-be computer science major failed the math placement test to qualify for calculus four times. He didn't know the basics.

Across the country, more students are placing into pre-college math, reports AP's Collin Binkley. "At many universities, engineering and biology majors are struggling to grasp fractions and exponents."

At George Mason in Northern Virginia, fewer would-be STEM majors are getting into calculus and more are failing, he writes.

“We’re talking about college-level pre-calculus and calculus classes, and students cannot even add one-half and one-third,” said Maria Emelianenko, chair of George Mason’s math department.

At Temple, the number of students placed into intermediate algebra, the equivalent of ninth-grade math, has nearly doubled, writes Binkley. It's the lowest option for STEM majors.

In a softball quiz at the start of last year's fall semester, students were asked to subtract eight from negative six, recalls Jessica Babcock. “I graded a whole bunch of papers in a row. No two papers had the same answer, and none of them were correct.”

“It’s not just that they’re unprepared, they’re almost damaged,” said Brian Rider, Temple’s math chair. “I hate to use that term, but they’re so behind.”

Professors tried "expanded office hours, a new tutoring center, pared-down lessons focused on the essentials," writes Binkley. "But students didn’t come for help, and they kept getting D’s and F’s."

This year, Babcock hopes redesigning the algebra class to focus on "active learning" will help. "Class will be more of a group discussion, with lots of problems worked in-class."

George Mason also is offering active learning, and the option to take a slower-paced math class that takes two terms instead of one.

Fonseca failed the placement test four times, again placing in pre-calculus. He'd need at least one extra semester to catch up on math. He decided to start at community college instead. Using what he'd learned in boot camp, he placed into calculus.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: algebra; brooklyncollege; calculus; college; homeschooling; laurierubel; math; mathdisaster; mathematics; newyork; newyorkcity; stem; stemmajors; university
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To: george76

Using Common Core Math, the answer is -2.


121 posted on 10/07/2023 8:34:01 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Adder

We used to do our own work. These days, it is group work. Rather it’s the one smart student giving the answers to the rest of the group. Snort, people wonder why the US is dropping further and further down the world’s educational levels.


122 posted on 10/07/2023 8:45:18 AM PDT by bgill
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To: BRL
It is kind of like pretending that playing with Legos will make you an engineer.

I am one of those. I am a “Sr Storage Engineer”. I am no engineer in real life. I have worked with computers since the 70s and I have learned how to operate some of the current batch of enterprise level storage platforms. That does not make me Scotty.
123 posted on 10/07/2023 8:48:33 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: george76

became a high school math teacher as my last career - 1st day in the classroom I was 49 years old. Those students that struggled with math (most) had NO concept of the basic number line. Nothing in basic arithmetic makes much sense without any relationship to the number line.


124 posted on 10/07/2023 8:51:01 AM PDT by goo goo g'joob (When honest people say what’s true, calmly and without embarrassment, they become powerful)
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To: cyclotic
A friend has a masters in some sort of very obscure mathematics. When she began homeschooling her kids she realized she couldn’t do math with numbers. All her knowledge was formulas and symbols.

For 18 years Calculus was used daily in my field of weapons work. All of us would rely on a stupid calculator to do the simple math because we had nearly forgotten how to perform it while ding all the higher stuff.

125 posted on 10/07/2023 9:02:14 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: george76

I cannot use all the correct words to say how GRATEFUL I am for going to a one room school in rural Wisconsin.


126 posted on 10/07/2023 9:04:43 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: oldasrocks

YOU ARE CORRECT. Didn’t take me 5 seconds-—& I graduated HS in 1957.


127 posted on 10/07/2023 9:05:47 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Sacajaweau

Same thing with eating WHAT you want WHEN you want. I tend to “GRAZE” all day.

My cousin & her husband visited here about 16 years ago.

We had a nice dinner-—and they were too full for desert-—so we all had good nights sleep.

The next Am, after feeding all the 6 horses, I asked them what they wanted for breakfast—I had a good array of options.

Husband couldn’t decide.

I said: We are adults-—”WE CAN HAVE WHATEVER WE PLEASE-—
EVEN ROOT BEER FLOATS IF WE WISH”.....HE couldn’t stop laughing and saying “THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD”. SO WE DID THAT !!!!

He died a couple of years ago & my cousin and I still laugh about that morning.


128 posted on 10/07/2023 9:12:07 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: fishtank
Does that mean I pass the class?

YAY!

129 posted on 10/07/2023 9:17:52 AM PDT by jeffc (Resident of the free State of Florida)
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To: alloysteel

Now, you want a challenge, teach them the use of an old-fashioned slide rule. With trig functions, log, and a log log scale. All analog, no digital at all.

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You beat me to it. Slide rules Rule.

Been relearning them. Last I used them was back in high school, fifty-some years ago.


130 posted on 10/07/2023 9:22:33 AM PDT by dagunk
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To: P.O.E.

The public schools have failed in the United States.

There is more emphasis on leftist propaganda than reading, writing, history, science, and math.


131 posted on 10/07/2023 9:31:14 AM PDT by StrictConstructionist
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To: meyer

First, close the doors of the department of education.
There should be 3 test during a child’s education.
5 grade, 9 grade, and 12 grade. You don’t pass you get held back. Start teaching shop trades again.


132 posted on 10/07/2023 9:32:12 AM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: mewzilla

Here’s my math on that. Get the electricians to borrow the panel and breakers from work, buy a case of beer, get electricians to install panel. Weld up pipe bumpers for electricians, drink beer and have bbq.
Total cost $22


133 posted on 10/07/2023 9:37:45 AM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Sacajaweau

I cut it into 1/8 slices before eating it all.

I’m on a diet.


134 posted on 10/07/2023 9:44:51 AM PDT by Laslo Fripp (Semper Fidelis)
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To: Laslo Fripp
I've been buying Great Value Rising Crust...Supreme Pizza from Walmart. Then I add more of everything...and the one thing everyone else dislikes...anchovies...and I use the oil for my Caesar Salad.

Today...just a plain old Delmonico...

135 posted on 10/07/2023 9:53:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: grundle

I know that this is a math thread, but that is a tautology.


136 posted on 10/07/2023 9:54:08 AM PDT by Laslo Fripp (Semper Fidelis)
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To: StrictConstructionist

belongs totally to the states..........


137 posted on 10/07/2023 10:08:29 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Bounced2X

Funny. When I started Georgia Tech in 1977, they still used slide rules but they quickly started to disappear with calculators like the TI-55 or the more expensive HP35.

That said, during one Chemistry class test we were asked on a question to calculate the number of moles in a substance and given two numbers to multiply was all that need be done. I laughed when I realized WHY that question - all the calculators were flashing “E” for error, over capacity.

Professor had included it to demonstrate the power of logarithms (adding two logs is multiplying, etc.). With a slide rule it was a few second process and I got the answer with the slide rule I could only afford at the time. But I very soon there after went digital. Graduated in 1980 - 12 straight quarters for a BSEE from The North Avenue Trade School (as we called it).


138 posted on 10/07/2023 10:28:50 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: KC Burke; eyeamok; NTHockey; BikerJoe
I don't have a slide rule anymore. Don't know what happened to it. I would have to refresh on how to use it anyway.
I remember when I very young people who worked cashier registers had to quickly figure out how much to change to give you. Many of the old models still in use didn't do it for you. They didn't have calculators in them yet.
139 posted on 10/07/2023 10:36:16 AM PDT by Bounced2X (Boomer - I survived childhood with no bike helmet.)
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To: Gaffer
Funny. When I started Georgia Tech in 1977, they still used slide rules but they quickly started to disappear with calculators like the TI-55 or the more expensive HP35.

I don't remember ever seeing a calculator in college and that was up through 1978.
The office I worked in didn't get a computer until around the mid '80s, IIRC. That was 2 floppy drives, all line code commands, no GUIs, no internet, no Office. Didn't have a mouse. Only 3 or 4 us figured out to use it to any practical effect. ;O)

140 posted on 10/07/2023 10:46:20 AM PDT by Bounced2X (Boomer - I survived childhood with no bike helmet.)
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