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The Electric vehicle car crash is a warning for Europe’s industrial transition China is so far ahead in the electric vehicles market that its competitors are trailing in the dust
Financial times ^ | 13th September 2023 | Helen Thomas

Posted on 09/14/2023 9:26:28 PM PDT by Cronos

At an event last week, a businessman suddenly pulled out his phone to show me his experience in a driverless taxi in downtown Beijing. In the video, a robotaxi impressively navigated a turn across several lanes of a busy road. Needless to say, the autonomous fleets roaming around an increasing number of Chinese cities are electric. The lasting impression, for him at least, was how far China has pulled ahead in the future of transport.

Those at the Munich motor show last week came to a similar conclusion. Germany’s biennial celebration of its own automotive prowess was dominated by Chinese brands, who were there in double the numbers seen in 2021. While European manufacturers showed electric vehicles coming to market in 2026 or 2027, the Chinese had cars ready for the forecourts. Gone were the shoddy motors of years past; these were quality vehicles for the European market. The sense was of an industry left behind. “It took too long to get the new reality,” says Ferdinand Dudenhöffer at the Center for Automotive Research in Duisburg. “There was a long time when carmakers said, ‘We see the issue of battery electric vehicles but we don’t believe in it.’”

The market is changing at speed. Almost one in five cars sold in Europe is electric. The International Energy Agency raised its forecast for EV share to 35 per cent of global sales in 2030, from less than 25 per cent in last year’s projection. The Chinese market, by far the world’s largest, is already there.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; China; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: automotive; chat; china; electric; eussr; ev; fakenews; financialslimes; firetraps; fourthreich; helenthomas; redchina
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1 posted on 09/14/2023 9:26:28 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

let them

if we stick with gas cars

we will be light years ahead of them


2 posted on 09/14/2023 9:33:44 PM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: Cronos

Helen Thomas wrote this??


3 posted on 09/14/2023 9:37:13 PM PDT by Chani
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To: Cronos

They don’t have any problem generating electricity. They build new coal powered plants at an amazing rate.


4 posted on 09/14/2023 9:43:16 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God” -Matthew 5:9)
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To: Chani
Helen Thomas wrote this??

Different Helen Thomas than you're used to. The UPI Helen Thomas is not only uglier, she's daid. ;-)

helen-thomas-hi-res
5 posted on 09/14/2023 9:59:17 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Jesus is LORD and Savior! And Donald Trump is President of the United States of America.)
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To: Cronos

Helen Thomas?


6 posted on 09/14/2023 10:00:20 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Dogbert41

>> They don’t have any problem generating electricity. They build new coal powered plants at an amazing rate.

Yep, China is selling us the wire to hang ourselves. They themselves ain’t about to “go green”!

Screw EVs. Stick with gas/diesel!


7 posted on 09/14/2023 10:01:50 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Jesus is LORD and Savior! And Donald Trump is President of the United States of America.)
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To: Cronos
Enclosed Mini Car  Electric Adult Vehicle Mobility Scooter 4 Wheel Motorcycle

This Beauty is Coming to a show room near you!

And you thought the Democrats wanted you to own a Tesla or Electric F150?

Sorry! No! 60 mile range... 35mph top speed...

8 posted on 09/14/2023 10:27:46 PM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Cronos

Can they detect potholes? My city has a lot of them


9 posted on 09/14/2023 11:05:52 PM PDT by roving (👌⚓Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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To: Cronos

China is eating our lunch right now.

While we argue back and forth about an expensive source of energy from early LAST century, and drive around in extremely costly vehicles which only get more, and more costly … China has taken the lead.

Globally.

Only Tesla has measured up. And they have a real struggle on their hands.

It is not about a global conspiracy to limit our movement.

It is about creating, and building new sources of power generation, and storage.

Forward!

😎


10 posted on 09/14/2023 11:48:58 PM PDT by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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To: Cronos

Reminds of total recall, driverless taxi.


11 posted on 09/15/2023 12:29:52 AM PDT by exnavy (Grow your faith, and have the courage to use it.)
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To: Cronos

Chinese Electric cars are crap. Even the most expensive brand and models have a tendency to burst into flame without warning. Sounds like a customer nightmare, so bring them on.


12 posted on 09/15/2023 1:02:08 AM PDT by Thistledew (Prepare.)
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To: Thistledew

They are producing an entire generation of Sodium-battery cars. Remarkably cheap.

Those are much less flammable.

American workers are meanwhile, now on strike asking for 40% more in wages.

For old-generation cars.


13 posted on 09/15/2023 1:07:45 AM PDT by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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To: cba123

“expensive source of energy from early LAST century”
There is so much wrong with this
statement.
Even future cost per mile and
convenience ICE vs EV, ICE wins
in every category.
Extreme cold, extreme heat, extreme
distances, lack of reliable
renewables, disposal of harmful
elements (from wind turbin blades,
solar panels, spent vehicle
batteries, to combustion that is
uncontrollable).
With taxpayer funds used to repair
faulty, vandalized, abandoned, or
hurricane ravaged charging stations.
The law of physics guarantees EV’s
will never completely replace that
“last century technology”
Car manufacturers have spent
thousands of hours and many millions
of dollars into research for the
holy grail that can replace the
draconian use of petroleum.
They haven’t found a close
competitor yet.
This entire exercise in this EV
experiment is the ability to track
your everyday life movements. Where
you shop, where you go for your
medical care, where your interests
lay in hobbies, even your preferred
cuisine should you like to go out
to eat once a week, not to mention
how much juice you’re using to
charge up the terrific new
technology you’re so proud to own.
Electric vehicles have been around
for the same amount of time as
gasoline powered vehicles.
Guess which one allows for the
greatest amount of FREEDOM for
your average American.


14 posted on 09/15/2023 1:10:44 AM PDT by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: Lean-Right

Wow.

That is quite a screed.

😎

China now leads Europe and America, outside of Tesla.


15 posted on 09/15/2023 1:13:24 AM PDT by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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To: Cronos
"China is so far ahead in the electric vehicles market that its competitors are trailing in the dust"

The new arsenal of communism.
16 posted on 09/15/2023 1:21:27 AM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: clearcarbon

America needs even more competitive cars, Tesla

🙂


17 posted on 09/15/2023 1:39:42 AM PDT by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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To: Cronos

Wonder how much of the Chinese population drives long distances, such as on vacations. Wonder how much of the Chinese rural population drives electric vehicles to get from town to town. People shoving 100% EV down our throats do not think about those who don’t live in cities.


18 posted on 09/15/2023 3:18:09 AM PDT by Hazwaste (Socialists are like slinkies. Only good for pushing down stairs.)
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To: Cronos

An interesting analog.

Driving golf carts, UTV’s and side by sides is becoming legal all over rural America. I recently was able to title my John Deere Gator and register it for driving on county roads. Increasingly over time, more are showing up in parking lots at the Walmart.

It’s pretty easy when they are lined up at the store to figure out where they came from. City carts are virtually always electric. People from outskirts and beyond use gas or diesel.


19 posted on 09/15/2023 3:25:27 AM PDT by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after the rain started.)
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To: cba123

China has flooded the EV market.
There are thousands of electric
powered autos parked in vast fields
with no buyers in sight.
Sorry I’m unable to post a pic,
but it’s been brought up here
on FR previously.
I would guess the same will
happen here as the government,
with their imposed mandates
are going to hit a brick wall
of consumer acceptance.
EV’s are just beginning to
stack up on dealer lots.
Uncertainty about buying into
a forced technology that goes
against the very fabric of
what America is all about.
Freedom.
Half the country will gladly
accept the confines. Half the
country will tell the EV pushers
to take a flying leap at a
rolling donut.
The end result...devide and
concor. Such is true with all
of politics these days.


20 posted on 09/15/2023 3:58:47 AM PDT by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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