Posted on 06/22/2023 10:54:16 AM PDT by libh8er
Debris has been found in the search for the missing Titan submersible, reportedly including parts of its outside cover. Dive expert David Mearns told the BBC the president of the Explorers Club - which is connected to the diving and rescue community - says the debris includes "a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible". The US Coast Guard earlier confirmed a "debris field" had been found within the search area. It was located by a remote-controlled underwater search vehicle (ROV) near the wreck of the Titanic. A US Coast Guard news conference is scheduled for 1500 EST (1900 GMT) on Thursday afternoon. The Titan vessel went missing in a remote area of the North Atlantic on Sunday with a four-day oxygen supply for its crew of five.
Some experts have speculated that it could have suffered a catastrophic implosion as a result of a hull failure. The minivan-sized submersible was owned and operated by the private company OceanGate Expeditions. The firm's co-founder, Guillermo Söhnlein, told the BBC that he believes there may have been an "instantaneous implosion" of the craft. "If that's what happened, that's what would have happened four days ago," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
I understand fully.
Having viewed countless videos of the titanic and rading material of this who survived it’s very intresting.
Returning to my hometown over the years - seeing once familiar Homes, landmarks and buildings slowly wear away and age has also been profound...... I actually have a sidewalk slate on my deck I acquired recently that use to be in front of the home I grew up in that is no longer there..nor the house. Yet the old pine tree still remains and the swing chain emdeded in the oak tree.
It’s rally quite interesting to know our History...as a nation as well.
Yes I recall that happening.
So, did the CG have a better tracking system of the Titan than the operators at sea level?
Why would an implosion under high pressure leave a debris field? Figured there would be just a collapsed vessel.
Something is fishy.
The first hint of a timeline came Thursday evening when a senior U.S. Navy official said that after the Titan was reported missing Sunday, the Navy went back and analyzed its acoustic data and found an “anomaly” that was consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the vessel was operating when communications were lost. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive acoustic detection system.
The Navy official who spoke of the “anomaly” heard Sunday said the Navy passed on the information to the Coast Guard, which continued its search because the Navy did not consider the data to be definitive.
David Lochridge, OceanGate’s former director of marine operations, argued in 2018 that the method the company devised for ensuring the soundness of the hull — relying on acoustic monitoring that could detect cracks and pops as the hull strained under pressure — was inadequate and could “subject passengers to potential extreme danger in an experimental submersible.”
“This was problematic because this type of acoustic analysis would only show when a component is about to fail — often milliseconds before an implosion — and would not detect any existing flaws prior to putting pressure onto the hull,” Lochridge’s attorneys wrote in a wrongful termination claim.
https://apnews.com/article/missing-titanic-submersible-updates-93a59c3c1d48aee2feef46caca418fd1
Sound travels faster and more clearly under water than it does on land.
“the Navy went back and analyzed its acoustic data and found an “anomaly” that was consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the vessel was operating when communications were lost.”
Thanks. That helps some. So, there was a triage between the Navy, the CG and Ocean-gate surface vessel. What I am still not clear on is what is meant by “when communications were lost”. There was an expected communications loss between the Titan and Ocean-gate at @ the 1.5hr mark (is this when the Navy noticed the “anomaly”?) and there was the failure to resume the communication at the 8hr mark (is this when the Navy noticed the “anomaly”?) It only makes sense to me that they went directly to the 1600ft from the Titanic site (of their detected anomaly) because that is where it actually imploded. I don’t see how they could have so precisely pinpointed the “debris field” based on an anomaly that would have occurred roughly 10,000ft from the surface (30,000ft) from the sea floor, unless they have much, much more sophisticated equipment that we know nothing about. Apparently the Navy was the source of the information which it sent to the CG which in turn informed the Ocean-gate people.
death trap.
Who thought using laminated carbon fiber was a great idea for a deep sea submersible? Seriously.
Ha!
It was a carbon fiber hull with glued on titanium end caps. Carbon fiber doesn’t crumple when overstressed like metal, it shatters and breaks into small chunks. It can also broomstraw or convert to powder depending on how the carbon fiber was laid down. The hull shatters as the end result of pretty much any failure at that depth and chunks of it come raining down on the ocean floor.
Think of it like a block of ice - ice is surprisingly strong. But it doesn’t bend. If you put enough force into a block of ice, it just breaks up into chunks.
The current generation of undersea surveillance systems is much more capable than the old SOSUS network, and SOSUS could hear submarines leaving port in Petropavlosk.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS#Operational_issues
Also, you are a bit off on the timeline. The LOC (loss of contact) was at the ~1.75 hour mark. While not a scheduled LOC like you get on spacecraft re-entry, this had happened before on prior dives with no ill-effects so nothing was thought about it. This is thought to be when the vessel imploded.
As an aside, the Titan did not have an emergency communication system such as a rescue buoy or EPIRB. It didn’t even have a constant voice communication capability because, to paraphrase the CEO and pilot who ordered it be designed that way, submersibles that had such kept having people call down to them every few minutes demanding status reports and he refused to be so disturbed while piloting his sub. What it did have was basically a hydrophonic modem that communicated to the support ship in bursts. Text and data only, and that just at intervals instead of a continuous stream.
The Titan obviously did not return to the surface at its scheduled time five hours and fifteen minutes later, nor did it resume communications. The support ship on the surface reported the submersible as overdue about two hours later. In going back through their records, the Navy found the sounds of the implosion and disintegration occurred right around the time of the LOC.
The anticipated time to descend from the surface to the Titanic was supposed to be about two to two and a half hours, so the implosion occurred as the Titan was getting close to the sea floor, at the one hour forty-five minute elapsed time mark, not ten thousand feet above the Titanic.
See my post 413 above.
“power of the minorities was created and maintained by white liberals in the media and schools”
And government. So the minorities aren’t themselves powerful. Could we say they are being used?
I would like to see minorities do better in some ways but they need to supply more of their own energy.
Statistically speaking, because some minority individuals are doing well.
Sound travels easier in solids and liquids than in air. Noise travels immense distances under water, and especially cold water. Almost as good as a steel beam. The banging noises could easily have been from a workman on a ship fixing a bulkhead or pipe a hundred miles away...................
“They did do some testing and the vessel had made a number of trips down to Titanic and back. However, they had signs of problems earlier and ignored them, and they didn’t do the additional testing those problems indicated needed to happen.”
Whatever way you look at it, it seems to me this was a project designed to fail at some point. Too bad four innocents had to die with him, but, hell, caveat emptor.
1800 feet
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