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Judge orders Trump not to release evidence in documents case
NY Post ^ | 06/19/2023 | Ronny Reyes

Posted on 06/19/2023 10:15:49 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: ChicagoConservative27

Of course. This lets the DOJ leak anything they want and try the case in public with no countervailing narrative.

They love this crap.


21 posted on 06/19/2023 10:48:30 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: DesertRhino
Justice Thomas will soon be involved.

And do you think that Justice Thomas will say it is okay to simply release the content of these previously and potentially still classified documents? And what if he gets that say and he confirms the magistrate's ruling, what then? I seriously doubt any Supreme Court justice is going to order the content of these documents released when the content is not what the charges are about.

22 posted on 06/19/2023 10:49:15 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Donald Tantrum? No Thank You. We Can Do Better! I am a Veteran Supporting Veteran DeSantis.)
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To: Reno89519

“What else can the judge due on this? Seriously, if these are or were classified government documents, as opposed to personal documents, seems like they should be kept underwraps.”

No document there is classified and the government does not claim it was. The indictment said “stamped classified”, not “classified”.
Devon Nunez, former Chair of the Intelligence committee said this is deliberate obfuscation. They do NOT have a document regarding an invasion of Iran. They wiretapped him, and hear his discussing the concept, but do not have this alleged document.
Nunez said they did not charge him under the law regarding handling of classified documents, because that has already been to the Supreme Court and it would conflict with the superior Presidential Records act. So they charged him under the WWI Espionage Act which criminalizes discussions of “national defense information”, vs “classified information”.

This criminal farce of a prosecution is going down hard soon. Jack Smith who lives in Holland will yet again suffer a reverse of the full Supreme Court.


23 posted on 06/19/2023 10:49:34 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: TallahasseeConservative

Rinehart is a magistrate, subordinate judicial officers to whom routine parts of cases are assigned. Sometimes they also deal with
More important parts sometimes, but their decisions have to be reviewed by the District Judge. That said, with Cannon is apparently aissnged for all purposes, if she were out sick or something like that, any judge could hear matters and make rulings


24 posted on 06/19/2023 10:53:01 AM PDT by j.havenfarm (22 years on Free Republic, 12/10/22! more then 6500 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: Reno89519

“He doesn’t need to release the content of the DoD Iran attack plans to defend why he had them, whether he declassified them or not, and how they were personal presidential papers.”

Those papers do not exist in the body of evidence sport. He was recorded supposedly discussing the plans. But they were not there in the raid, and they are not in evidence. He is not charged with taking them. He is charged under the Wilson Era law for discussing them. Based on a clip of a recording out of context.


25 posted on 06/19/2023 10:53:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Reno89519

And DeSantis is a veteran? He was a JAG lawyer. Quit pretending he was military leader.


26 posted on 06/19/2023 10:55:09 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino
Wiretapped him?! Isn't the recording from interviews with authors writing book about Trump? Trump was being Trump, running his mouth, maybe inartly, bragging, hyperbole, whatever, but in this case, he's put his foot in it. They'll make an example of him, make him a martyr.

Diehard Trump supporters won't care but this will poison his chances in 2024.

27 posted on 06/19/2023 10:56:14 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Donald Tantrum? No Thank You. We Can Do Better! I am a Veteran Supporting Veteran DeSantis.)
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To: DesertRhino

DeSantis is a veteran. He served honorably. Shame on you for dissing his military service.


28 posted on 06/19/2023 10:57:51 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Donald Tantrum? No Thank You. We Can Do Better! I am a Veteran Supporting Veteran DeSantis.)
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To: Reno89519

Thomas has several ways he will already shut this farce down. (A farce DeSantis colluded with Garland on)

Two big ones are bribery of a witnesses attorney with a Federal Judgeship. And then fraudulently violating attorney client privilege to obtain his lawyers detailed notes as he planned to represent Trump (America’s hero).


29 posted on 06/19/2023 10:59:23 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
I am sure the goal of Trump’s defense team is to lay the foundation for dismissing the charges — or appealing a conviction — on Sixth Amendment grounds. The right of a defendant to introduce evidence in his defense is guaranteed under the Constitution. The prosecution can’t engage in this chicanery where they try to hide exculpatory evidence by claiming it’s “classified.”

This is why some espionage cases are difficult to prosecute. It’s not unusual for the prosecution to end up in a situation where they can’t use the most important evidence to prosecute the case.

30 posted on 06/19/2023 11:01:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: DesertRhino

Yes, those two issues really need airing: bribing a witness and violating attorney client privilege. But what does this have to do with DeSantis? He’s not on trial here, he has zero involvement in what Trump did or didn’t do.


31 posted on 06/19/2023 11:02:54 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Donald Tantrum? No Thank You. We Can Do Better! I am a Veteran Supporting Veteran DeSantis.)
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He should leak it live on the debate stage against Biden. If they are going to criminalizing speech don’t let them do it in secret. So unfair and unjust what they are doing to President Trump. It’s a shame no one is willing or able to do anything about it.


32 posted on 06/19/2023 11:09:55 AM PDT by wiseprince (Me,)
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To: DesertRhino

But...but...but...ABC/CBS/NBC/NYT/WAPO/CNN all say they were attack plans, and just for good measure, they threw in that the IBCM launch codes were there too.

Just for good measure, don’t ya know. (only kidding about the launch codes, but...does that sound any more outlandish than charging him under the Espionage Act?)

Espionage. That’s the ticket. Espionage.

What a farce. But hey, there are brains full of mush that just suck that up.


33 posted on 06/19/2023 11:11:45 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Only the prosecutor can do to enhance their case, defendants not so much. Banana justice.


34 posted on 06/19/2023 11:12:28 AM PDT by SkyDancer (My Talents Are So Hidden That Even I Can't Find Them ...)
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To: Reno89519

I will diss a JAG six times a week and twice on Sunday. And I will call them fake vets when they pretend they are military. Biden was one, Buttgig was one.


35 posted on 06/19/2023 11:13:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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There are no attack plans for Iran. That’s nonsense. If there are plans then it is the plans that these fools sent to Trump after the incident in Iraq where Iran sent bombs to the desert and Trump was smart enough not to follow their moronic advice. You can be sure that plan would still be playing out in Iran if Trump were onboard. No active military plan is going to be viable for 5 years but the out of control complex isn’t even sharp enough to reality that.


36 posted on 06/19/2023 11:15:13 AM PDT by wiseprince (Me,)
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To: rlmorel

Here is an obvious truth: with our tax dollars, we are funding a totalitarian, apocalyptic agenda that most people do not support. We don’t know how to stop because the system has been in place for so long & we are so conditioned to playing our part. But if you really want human…— Lara Logan (@laralogan) June 19, 2023


37 posted on 06/19/2023 11:15:52 AM PDT by combat_boots
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To: ChicagoConservative27
I am no lawyer, but I can read the Sixth Amendment:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

How can he obtain witnesses in his favor if the nature of the evidence is hidden from the public? And how can one call a trial where the nature of the evidence is kept secret a "public trial"?

38 posted on 06/19/2023 11:15:53 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: DesertRhino

You are not only disrespectful of veterans but also misinformed. Biden is not a veteran. He never served in the military. ANYONE that serves in the military and is discharged under honorable conditions deserves respect honoring their service. Again, shame on you.


39 posted on 06/19/2023 11:19:36 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Donald Tantrum? No Thank You. We Can Do Better! I am a Veteran Supporting Veteran DeSantis.)
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To: Reno89519

DeSantis backer?


40 posted on 06/19/2023 11:20:56 AM PDT by lilypad
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