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Many in Russia's elite no longer believe Putin can win the Ukraine war
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| Tom Porter
Posted on 06/08/2023 5:29:29 AM PDT by dennisw
Members of the Russian elite are turning against the Ukraine war, Bloomberg reported. They best they can hope for is losing without humiliation, the report said. However Putin shows no sign of wanting to end the conflict, it said.
Many members of Russia's elite are growing doubtful about the ability of their president, Vladimir Putin, to win the war in Ukraine, Bloomberg reported.
The best they can hope for is a "frozen" conflict or a loss in which Russia isn't humilated, the report said.
Despite this deepening gloom, Putin shows no sign of wishing to end the war, according to Bloomberg.
The outlet cited seven people with knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified given the seriousness of the issues.
It said that many in the upper echelons of Russian politics and business are tired of the war and want it to end.
Five sources told Bloomberg that while no one is willing to "stand up" to Putin over the invasion, belief in his authority has been shaken.
"It is really surprising how widespread among the Russian elite became the idea of a chance that Putin won't win this war," Kirill Rogov, a former Russian government advisor who left the country after the invasion, told Bloomberg.
It is unclear what a victory would look like for Russia, but two sources told Bloomberg they hoped Putin would try and claim a "Pyrrhic victory" on the basis of land in Ukraine that Russia already occupies.
Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian journalist and central bank advisor, told Bloomberg that "'the best they hope for is that Russia will lose without humiliation."
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: admissionoffailure; cantwin; kremlindoofus; russialosing; tomporter
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To: amnestynone
And you sir are an ignorant dolt.
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posted on
06/08/2023 10:51:17 AM PDT
by
dforest
To: JonPreston
Right after you go and fight for Russia.
62
posted on
06/08/2023 10:51:55 AM PDT
by
amnestynone
(We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
To: amnestynone
I am a man of peace, I will not fight. You, on the other hand, are an Angry, Empty Barrel clamoring for war. Are you afraid to go?
63
posted on
06/08/2023 11:10:23 AM PDT
by
JonPreston
( ✌ ☮️ )
To: JonPreston
when are you going to fight?
so now you're encouraging more more fighting & conflict
obviously, you're no "man of peace", you're a fraud & a liar
get rid of that peace symbol you Russian warmonger
64
posted on
06/08/2023 11:26:24 AM PDT
by
canuck_conservative
(there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
To: JonPreston
neocon tub-thumping on this thread, BIGLY.
65
posted on
06/08/2023 11:37:56 AM PDT
by
kiryandil
(China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
To: kiryandil; canuck_conservative
The Canadian Tub-Thumper is very angry today. I fear things are going poorly on the front
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posted on
06/08/2023 12:25:34 PM PDT
by
JonPreston
( ✌ ☮️ )
To: JonPreston
The Babylon Bee:
‘The Russians Blew Up Our Dam!’ Says Zelensky While Still Holding Detonation Plunger Thingy
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posted on
06/08/2023 12:30:07 PM PDT
by
kiryandil
(China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
To: JonPreston
Your peace sign is like garlic and the Cross to a vampire.
68
posted on
06/08/2023 2:07:17 PM PDT
by
cabojoe
( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
To: cabojoe
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posted on
06/08/2023 2:21:04 PM PDT
by
JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
You are not a man of peace you a supporter of a ruthless brutal war mongering country that has been our enemy for the better part of a 100 years.
The only time it wasn’t was when Boris Yeltsin ran it. We thought the cold war was over but with Putin running it he was a return to the norm though we did not recognize what he was and what Russia still is until the present.
The only way there will be a peace is to See Russia defeated and preferably split up so it cannot be a continued threat to the rest of us.
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posted on
06/08/2023 2:50:09 PM PDT
by
amnestynone
(We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
To: amnestynone
You're an Empty Barrel, and here's some proof. Your glowing review of a McDonalds hamburger is all anyone needs to know about you. Now beat it, ya' bum
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posted on
06/08/2023 4:38:20 PM PDT
by
JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
What a stupid entry Ivan.
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posted on
06/08/2023 4:58:44 PM PDT
by
amnestynone
(We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
To: JonPreston
Someone sabatoged my email address this afternoon. I am thinking that was you.
73
posted on
06/08/2023 5:00:08 PM PDT
by
amnestynone
(We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
To: amnestynone
Someone sabatoged my email address this afternoon. I am thinking that was you.You sound like a Clown
74
posted on
06/08/2023 5:26:15 PM PDT
by
JonPreston
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To: amnestynone
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posted on
06/08/2023 5:36:49 PM PDT
by
cabojoe
( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
To: dennisw
That sounds like what Hitler repeated from 1944 into 1945.
76
posted on
06/08/2023 5:39:07 PM PDT
by
laplata
(They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
To: desertsolitaire
Wait! Yesterday someone posted that when they want unbiased objective info on the Ukraine invasion by Russia they look to dennisw for it.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Or Kiev Karen with the AOL account. 😄😆
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posted on
06/08/2023 5:42:50 PM PDT
by
Allegra
(Stop the Zeepers from Censoring FReepers)
To: dennisw
The propaganda is getting waste deep.
78
posted on
06/08/2023 5:48:41 PM PDT
by
McGruff
(Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
To: amnestynone
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posted on
12/01/2023 4:42:44 PM PST
by
JonPreston
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