Desperate Putin, 70, brings Soviet-era T-55 tanks as old as he is out of retirement to bolster his faltering war efforts – having already raided museums for T-62 models

Daily Mail ^ | 3/22/2023 | Will Stewart

[marcusmaximus]

Russia's president Vladimir Putin, 70, is taking tanks as old as he is out of storage in his desperate bid to crush Ukraine on the battlefield.

A video showing long obsolete Soviet-era T-54B and T-55A tanks - designed to be used in the armies of Soviet tyrant Josef Stalin - on a train carried across Russia, presumably destined for the frontlines of the war, has emerged.

It comes with Putin having already raided museums and storage depots for retired T-62 battle tanks, which halted production 12 years ago.

The geriatric T-54 was originally produced by Stalin after the Second World War in 1946, but Putin seems to be sending to war an updated version from the early 1950s - some 70 years old, the same age as the dictator.

Putin is fond of boasting of the prowess of his military capabilities. However, since his forces crossed the border into Ukraine over a year ago, his armies have been exposed as being outdated both tactically and in terms of equipment.

[Robert DeLong]

I've seen no evidence

Because you have chosen to not see it. It's been presented to you. You just refuse to accept the evidence presented. Which is why I will no longer argue this issue with you. Like I said, before, you are like arguing with a liberal. Anything that goes against the narrative you hold as true, you choose to reject it. Which means it becomes worthless to try and educate you.

As for the Bible verse, Luke 8.17: For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be made known and brought to light. Means that you will learn the truth at some point in time, but you currently do not see your folly.

In the meantime, you are assisting with the destruction of our nation, and you are not helping the Ukrainian people whatsoever. You aren't paying attention to the fact, that we are weakening the European countries, NATO, and the U.S., while creating a geopolitical shift away from the U.S. to China & Russia. You remain clueless because you think with your heart instead of with your brain. Furthermore, you are helping those who stole the 2020 election to enrich themselves while delivering this nation to the elites who desire total control. Why do you think they want to weaken Russia. It's not because they are good people. It's because they are evil people.

That action, makes you a very dangerous person, because you have chosen to support evil, instead of good. Yet you mistakenly believe you are doing the opposite. Wake up.

[BroJoeK]

Robert DeLong: "Because you have chosen to not see it.
It's been presented to you.
You just refuse to accept the evidence presented."

{sigh}...I've seen no evidence because you've presented no evidence, period.
But just to accommodate you, I took the time to watch your video from post #204 above, Brakey's so-called "truth bombs", to the end again, not once, but twice.
It did not improve with rewatching -- he still presents ridiculous accusations without evidence to support them.

1. Brakey's accusation #1: We are supporting Ukraine, not to help Ukrainians, or to help ourselves, but only to bleed Russia dry, as in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

   The truth is we are not bleeding Russia dry, Vlad the Invader is bleeding his own country and can stop the bleeding on the day he decides to withdraw Russian troops from Ukraine.
   But Vlad knows Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan contributed to the USSR's collapse, and that is why he has lined up Chinese support to sustain him for the long run.

   As for our motives, clearly they are multiple and include defeating the old Tsarist-Soviet Russian Empire restorers in Moscow.

2. Brakey's accusation #2: We are supporting literal Ukrainian Nazis, the Azov Battalion.

   Well, first, any number of political groups, worldwide, favor forms of national socialism, and are NOT called "Nazis" because they are NOT antisemitic.
   Antisemitism is the key ideology which, by definition, turns an ordinary socialist into a Nazi.
   In the USA we have a number of socialist groups which are also antisemitic and so can rightly be called "Nazis", though seldom are because they claim to be Leftists, and most people just accept the Leftists lie that Nazis are somehow "right wing".

   The Azov Battalion's roots spring from the Holodomor and WWII, they were anti-Stalin's Soviets, anti-Communists and to some degree, antisemitic.
   That changed in 2014 when Azov became a Ukraine national guard unit:

   "Since 2017, the official position of the Ukrainian government is that the unit has depoliticized itself.
   The then Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov claimed that 'The shameful information campaign about the alleged spread of Nazi ideology (among Azov members) is a deliberate attempt to discredit the 'Azov' unit and the National Guard of Ukraine.'[264]
   In March 2022, in an open letter to Russia published through Russian journalist Alexander Nevzorov, Azov Regiment strongly denounced allegations of its neo-Nazi orientation, defining Nazism as a 'tireless need to exterminate those who dared to be free' and noting that the regiment incorporated people of many ethnicities and religions, including Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Muslims, Greeks, Georgians, Crimean Tatars and Belarusians.
   According to the letter, Nazism, as well Stalinism, were "despised" by the regiment, since Ukraine greatly suffered from both.[265]

   "Some commentators concur that the unit has depoliticised.
   A 2015 Reuters report noted that after the unit's inclusion in the National Guard and receipt of heavier equipment, Andriy Biletsky toned down his usual rhetoric, while most of the extremist leadership had left to focus on political careers in the National Corps party or the Azov Civil Corps.[69]
   An article published by Foreign Affairs in 2017 argued that the unit was relatively depoliticized and deradicalized after it was brought into the fold of the National Guard of Ukraine.
   The government started a process with the objective of ferreting out neo-nazis and foreign fighters, with background checks, observations during training, and a law requiring all fighters to accept Ukrainian citizenship.[68]
   A former USAID official commented that the real danger was not the original paramilitary group, but the civil movement Azov had spawned.[266]
   In the years following its integration into the National Guard a number of experts and commentators have stated that the radical right-wing ideology associated with the battalion has become more marginal, or that it does not make sense to describe it as a "neo-Nazi" regiment.[267][268][269][270][271]

   "In February 2020, the Atlantic Council published an article by Anton Shekhovtsov, a scholar of right-wing extremism in Europe and expert on Russia's connections to Europe's far-right.
   Shekhovtsov argued that Azov should not be designated a foreign terrorist organization, for reasons including that it was a regiment of the Ukrainian National Guard, and therefore was part of official structures and followed orders given by the Interior Ministry, and that some claimed extremist links to Brenton Tarrant, the Rise Above Movement, and American right-wing terrorists in general were poorly evidenced.[272] [no evidence]
   He also told the Financial Times that though it was originally formed by leadership of a neo-nazi group, 'It is certain that Azov [the battalion] has depoliticised itself.
   Its history linked to the far-right movement is pretty irrelevant today.'[207]
   In a 2020 article on the Atlantic Council's website, however, Oleksiy Kuzmenko of Bellingcat argued that "the Regiment has failed in its alleged attempts to 'depoliticize.'"[208]
   Shekhovtsov, writing in the Euromaidan Press in 2022 reiterated his view that the Azov Regiment had become largely depoliticized and had lost most of its neo-Nazi and far-right views, describing it as 'a highly professional detachment for specific operations.
   Neither a political organization, nor a militia, nor a far-right battalion'.[273]"

   The Azov Battalion was formed in early 2014 to resist the Russian invasion.
   It is currently "de-Nazified" and part of Ukraine's national guard.

3. Brakey's accusation #3: Vlad the Invader will resort to nuclear war to defend Russian annexed Crimea.

   Certainly Vlad and his surrogates have threatened nuclear war.
   But the cost to Russia of starting nuclear war would be national suicide, and I don't think Vlad the Invader is suicidal, nor would China's Xi-snake be likely to support Vlad in a nuclear war.

4. Brakey's accusation #4: After 2014, the US sent weapons to support one side in a Ukrainian civil war.

   In 2014 it was a Russian invasion, nothing "civil war" about it, except that some Ukrainians joined forces with Russian invaders to wage war against their own country.

   Beginning in 2014, the Obama administration sent blankets and other non-lethal aid to help Ukraine against Russia.
   Beginning in 2017, Pres. Trump sent anti-tank Javelins and other lethal weapons.

5. Brakey's accusation #5: Vlad the Invader's actions are justified by NATO's expansion since 1991.

   This we've covered at length before -- beginning in 1994, Russia and other eastern European countries planned to join NATO, so "NATO expansion" was not an issue for Russia then.
   As late as 2000 Putin discussed Russian NATO membership with US Pres. Slick Willie, who strongly supported it.
   And Russia's relations with NATO remained very friendly up until Vlad's 2008 invasion of Georgia, after which relations cooled dramatically, though not necessarily irreversibly, had that been Vlad's intentions.

   It was Vlad's choice to move from pro-NATO to anti-NATO.

6. Brakey's accusation #6: In 2014, pro-Russian Ukrainian President Yanukovych was removed from office by a US supported "coup".

   The truth is Yanukovych was removed by a 328-0 vote of the Ukrainian parliament after he fled to Russian and invited Vlad to Invade Ukraine.
   That was not a "coup", but rather the lawful removal of a traitor.

   As for Victoria Nuland's role, Brakey claims to have heard tapes of her discussing which Ukrainians would, or would not, be acceptable in their new government.
   I'm not at all certain such tapes, if they exist, "prove" she or any Americans were instrumental in the impeachment or the elections which followed.

   The key facts here have nothing to do with Nuland, but with Yanukovych, who was a treasonous traitor and invited Russia to wage war against his own country.

7. Brakey's other accusations: Brakey made other vague accusations regarding nuclear treaties and anti-Russia propaganda, which I don't think are material to this particular discussion.

Robert DeLong: "As for the Bible verse, Luke 8.17: "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be made known and brought to light."
Means that you will learn the truth at some point in time, but you currently do not see your folly."

I'm an old man, my days here are not unlimited and in due time I expect to learn much more about everything.
But the truth about Ukraine is very simple and straight forward -- Vlad invaded without just cause and therefore must be defeated, period, end of discussion.
If Vlad is not defeated in Ukraine, then his evil with grow and expand to other countries in other regions and we will not like those results.

Robert DeLong: "In the meantime, you are assisting with the destruction of our nation, and you are not helping the Ukrainian people whatsoever. "

That is simply a straight-out lie.
If the USA is being "destroyed" it is not because of Ukraine.
Ukrainians have manifested their overwhelming desire to remain free of Russian rule, their willingness to fight and die for liberty, and we have helped them in a big way.

Robert DeLong: "You aren't paying attention to the fact, that we are weakening the European countries, NATO, and the U.S., while creating a geopolitical shift away from the U.S. to China & Russia. "

We have not "weakened" anybody!
The Ukraine war has consumed stocks of weapons and ammunition that were left over from the last century, thus forcing European and other countries (including us) to ramp up production of more modern weapons & ammo.
This is precisely what Pres. Trump was talking about when he lectured Europeans on increasing their military budgets, which for some were in the range of a pathetic 1% of their GDPs.
Now they are being forced to do what they promised and failed to do previously.
That is not "weakening", it's strengthening.

As for the shift towards China and Russia, that is Vlad the Invader's choice, not ours.
Vlad chose to become a client of the Xi-snake's China, it will make them a very powerful alliance and nothing we said or did could stop that.
In essence, we are now in Cold War II.
I served in the US Army during Cold War I, near Germany's Fulda Gap, and know something about that.

Today we are the largest contributor to Ukraine, roughly equal to all of Europe combined, and that makes us still the leader of the western alliance.

Robert DeLong: "You remain clueless because you think with your heart instead of with your brain. "

Nonsense, and the truth is you've divorced your heart from your brain and therefore your words make no sense logically or emotionally.

Robert DeLong: "Furthermore, you are helping those who stole the 2020 election to enrich themselves while delivering this nation to the elites who desire total control."

That is a 100% baseless accusation, in every respect.
First of all, there's no evidence our Democrats are enriching themselves on aid to Ukraine.
Indeed, why bother when the amounts are so relatively small, and there have been multiple $trillions in wasteful Democrat spending whose main function is to enrich Democrats?
Ukraine is a drop in the bucket compared to that.

Second, Ukraine aid does nothing to help Democrats increase their control over US elections and laws, and Republicans will not benefit in any way if Ukraine is defeated.

Robert DeLong: "Why do you think they want to weaken Russia.
It's not because they are good people.
It's because they are evil people."

Only an insane pro-Russian Kool-Aid drinker would say such nonsense.
Vlad the Invader needs to be decisively defeated because he invaded Ukraine, that makes him uniquely evil and in need of destruction.
And if you can't see that, it means something very wrong is going on inside your own brain, FRiend.

So I'll say it again: you need to fix that.

[Robert DeLong]

he still presents ridiculous accusations without evidence to support them

What I gave you was a short video from Getter, try looking beyond that. That's what I mean with you, you are too lazy to take a clue and examine where it leads to.

Quit being a lazy American, and start seeking out the truth for yourself. But here I will give yo another starting pint, but this is it.

Senator Goes VIRAL After Calling Out MIC, MSM and Nazis In Ukraine During Speech

More exists, if you will start searching for the truth.

[Robert DeLong]

Listen, I understand you believe I am some sort of Russian mouthpiece, but the reality is that I am a staunch defender of our nation. While what I say about Russian & Putin is all true, forget about all of that. I have come to learn that truth is not something you want to hear, nor will it sway your support for our involvement in this conflict.

Look at what is being done to our country. It is slowly, or not so slowly, being destroyed from within.

Now look at our current president, Joe Biden.

Is he assisting with the destruction of this nation, or is he fighting to save this nation.

All indicators point to him assisting in that destruction.

From out-of-control invasion across both our southern & northern borders, to the elimination of oil independence Trump had established, making this nation once again dependent upon oil from foreign nations, many of whom are enemies of this nation. In addition, his out of control spending is exacerbating the inflation problem.

His absolutely callous withdrawal from Afghanistan, further weakened this nation, and also gave enemies to our nation weapons we developed. This not only cost us standing in the international arena, but also provided technology to our adversaries to build complementary weaponry.

His support of the decay of morals which is destroying family cohesiveness is the same decay that brought down the Roman Empire.

Endless wars are what have put this nation behind the 8-ball financial, and have caused the citizens of this nation to sacrifice our standard of living, for the betterment of nations who don't really even care if we exist or not.

So, is Joe Biden intentionally destroying this nation, or is he destroying this nation strictly due to incompetence?

Does it really matter? Either was he is totally unsuitable to either lead this nation into war, and certainly incapable of leading this nation any where but into disaster.

His BS is now threatening the dollar to be dethroned, and if you think that will bring positive consequences for the nation, you best think again. Because the reality is, the dollar will be dethroned.

You are on the wrong side, as are far too many Republican politicians. I hope you have a lot of money, like in the billions, to even have a chance for surviving what is coming down the pike like an out-of-control freight train, with loads of tanker cars containing deadly chemicals.

[BroJoeK]

Robert DeLong: "What I gave you was a short video from Getter, try looking beyond that.
That's what I mean with you, you are too lazy to take a clue and examine where it leads to."

Now you're just hoping to waste my time, sorry, I'm not jumping into that rabbit hole.

If you have evidence to support even one of your ridiculous accusations, then present it.

I think if you had evidence, you'd have already presented it, which is why you now want me to go chasing down ridiculous rabbit holes.

[Robert DeLong]

If you have evidence to support even one of your ridiculous accusations, then present it.

I have presented them to you, many times, Your response has always been to say, it's ancient history, even though it was all modern day history. It had just been the history that spanned back hundreds of years

You are nothing but a liar.

Also, I notice you chose to respond to this aged response, rather than the one I sent earlier today.

Reality is about to hit all Americans like a ton of bricks. I hope you are prepared, but I serious doubt that is the case, because you are also a raving lunatic.

[BroJoeK]

Robert DeLong: "Listen, I understand you believe I am some sort of Russian mouthpiece, but the reality is that I am a staunch defender of our nation. While what I say about Russian & Putin is all true, forget about all of that.
I have come to learn that truth is not something you want to hear, nor will it sway your support for our involvement in this conflict."

Now you're just babbling more nonsense.
The truth is, you are a Russian mouthpiece, whether you're being paid in cash or in something else of value to you.
And nothing you've said about Russia is truth, not one word of it.
Instead, you've defended & made excuses for Vlad the Invader, as if he were somehow worthy of respect.
And it's true, he was worthy of some respect, right up until the day he began invading his neighbors' countries.

Today, Vlad the Invader is only worthy of one thing, and that is death and destruction.
He must be defeated, or the world as we know it will end.

Robert DeLong: "Look at what is being done to our country.
It is slowly, or not so slowly, being destroyed from within."

Not so slowly, from my perspective, but that will not change in any way if Vlad the Invader defeats & destroys Ukraine.
Indeed, it will only get worse.

Robert DeLong: "Now look at our current president, Joe Biden.
Is he assisting with the destruction of this nation, or is he fighting to save this nation.
All indicators point to him assisting in that destruction."

Right, but even a broken clock tells the correct time, twice per day, and Barak Insane O'Biden has somehow landed on the correct "time" -- or as close to it as we could ever hope from Democrats -- in Ukraine.

Robert DeLong: "From out-of-control invasion across both our southern & northern borders, to the elimination of oil independence Trump had established, making this nation once again dependent upon oil from foreign nations, many of whom are enemies of this nation. In addition, his out of control spending is exacerbating the inflation problem."

All true enough, but none of that gets better if Vlad the Invader defeats Ukraine.

Robert DeLong: "His absolutely callous withdrawal from Afghanistan, further weakened this nation, and also gave enemies to our nation weapons we developed.
This not only cost us standing in the international arena, but also provided technology to our adversaries to build complementary weaponry."

Again, all true enough, but none of that gets better if Vlad the Invader defeats Ukraine.

Robert DeLong: "His support of the decay of morals which is destroying family cohesiveness is the same decay that brought down the Roman Empire."

Well... {sigh}... first of all, we are not the Roman Empire, in any way, shape or form, nor are we the Chinese, Mongol, Moghul, Spanish, Dutch, French or British Empires.
We are something altogether different, a series of alliances by treaties among free and equal nations, that we lead by strength of our moral, military and economic character.

Second, the old Roman Empire was not brought down by "moral decay," that's just silly.
Rather, it declined and rose again over many centuries, finally being destroyed forever by superior military technology of the Ottoman Turks in 1453 AD -- oh? Had you forgotten about that?

The Eastern Roman Empire (capital Constantinople) was instrumental in destroying the Western Roman Empire (capital Rome) when it paid off invading barbarians to attack the west and leave Constantinople alone.
The Western Roman Empire fell in circa 476 AD not because of "moral decay" but rather because they could no longer afford to pay the Roman legions who had defended Rome for over 1,000 years.
With the legions dissolved, barbarians literally just walked in and took over.

Robert DeLong: "Endless wars are what have put this nation behind the 8-ball financial, and have caused the citizens of this nation to sacrifice our standard of living, for the betterment of nations who don't really even care if we exist or not."

That is a total lie, so beyond the realm of real truth that it's astonishing how such nonsense can rattle around inside a supposedly "good man's" brain.
The real truth is US military spending has declined gradually but steadily since its peak in the Second World War and is today near to all-time lows, compared to our GDP.
And national defense is a basic, ground-floor, function of government, that if they don't do anything else, government must defend its citizens, or it and they cease to exist (see above discussion on Rome).

So, what has caused the debt and inflation to soar out of sight is not $billions for national defense, much less "endless wars", but rather untold $trillions borrowed to pay for Democrat vote-buying social schemes.

Robert DeLong: "So, is Joe Biden intentionally destroying this nation, or is he destroying this nation strictly due to incompetence?"

I don't know if you are old enough to remember Pres. Barak Insane Obama, but he was elected on the promise to "transform America", and now Pres. O'Biden is simply completing O'Bama's mission.

Very few people understood in 2008, when they voted for our "first black president" that "transform" meant literally putting trans people in charge of forming our new culture.

Robert DeLong: "Does it really matter? Either was he is totally unsuitable to either lead this nation into war, and certainly incapable of leading this nation any where but into disaster."

You seem clueless as to what is going on.
Pres. O'Biden is 100% competent and capable of doing what he was "elected" to do, and that is preside over transforming America into the nation that Barak Insane O'bama -- and many others, George Soros, AOC, it's a long list -- want us to be.

Robert DeLong: "His BS is now threatening the dollar to be dethroned, and if you think that will bring positive consequences for the nation, you best think again. Because the reality is, the dollar will be dethroned."

And that is pay-day for ex-Nazi collaborator, George Soros.
He is repeating here on a grand scale what he's already done in other smaller countries, and his profits from our collapse will raise him from lowly billionaire to apotheosized trillionaire.
Today he spends mere $millions to elect radical DAs.
In the future, he will spend $billions to "elect"... everyone he wants.

Robert DeLong: "You are on the wrong side, as are far too many Republican politicians.
I hope you have a lot of money, like in the billions, to even have a chance for surviving what is coming down the pike like an out-of-control freight train, with loads of tanker cars containing deadly chemicals."

You and many others obviously have no clue as to what's going on, but one person who knows exactly, not only what's happening, but also how to stop & correct it, and additionally has the character strength to withstand the worst they can throw at him -- he's my candidate.

Possibly you've even heard of him?
His initials are DJT and he's been in the news.

[BroJoeK]

Robert DeLong: "I have presented them to you, many times,
Your response has always been to say, it's ancient history, even though it was all modern day history.
It had just been the history that spanned back hundreds of years"

I think your words here are pure fantasy, since I recall no such conversation, or anything remotely similar.
Perhaps you can copy and paste here the original quotes?

Robert DeLong: "You are nothing but a liar."

Says the one who fantasizes evidence he's never seen or presented here.

Robert DeLong: "Also, I notice you chose to respond to this aged response, rather than the one I sent earlier today."

I always try to take them in logical sequence -- older ones first, then the newer ones.
Does that make sense to you?

Robert DeLong: "Reality is about to hit all Americans like a ton of bricks.
I hope you are prepared, but I serious doubt that is the case, because you are also a raving lunatic."

Says our totally clueless fantasizer of evidence & conversations which never existed or happened.

[rmlew]

Do you mean imposes the will of the khazarian mafia paid for with American blood?
Lay off the neo-Nazi propaganda. Nothing has been Khazarian since 1016, when the last Khazar state was destroyed.