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Kherson 'Counteroffensive' - Zelenski Is Going For Broke
Moon of Alabama ^ | 5 Sep 22 | B

Posted on 09/05/2022 6:44:24 AM PDT by delta7

After the first Ukrainian attempt to push towards had failed it is now reinforcing that failure. As I describe the move:

The only 'successful' attack was across the Inhulet river near Andriivka in the direction of the dam and river crossing that closes off the Kakhovka Dnieper reservoir. The troops were cut off and mostly destroyed. On the western side of the salient a Russian unit crossed the Inhulet towards north and attacked the Ukrainians on that side. It soon had to pull back and the Ukrainians used the Russian crossing to reconnect with the cut off units in the salient.

More Ukrainian reinforcements were pushed into the salient where they have little natural protection from Russian artillery and air force attacks.

The political leadership of Ukraine is committed to continue this massacre. The Ukrainian Telegram channel 'Resident' reported:

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky holds a meeting every day on the counteroffensive in the South of Ukraine, at the moment the Armed Forces of Ukraine have the opportunity to create a foothold in the Krivoy Rog direction. Zalusky reported on the heavy fighting and losses suffered by the Ukrainian army in the steppes, but the political center of influence insist on continuing the #Battle_for_Kherson operation. Reserves from the eastern front and Kharkov will be transferred to the Dnepropetrovsk region, in order to achieve the advantage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, no information will be officially published in the media until the seizure of territories.

Earlier another war observer noted:

Ukrainian channel Legitimny reports Helensky is prepared to sacrifice up to 20K dead and 40k wounded in the Kherson offensive, which would be 6% of his army. Current losses are around 2% so he's going for 2nd offensive wave. I believe that 60,000 men are more than 10% of the Ukrainian army but that is not the point.

'Resident' and 'Legitimny' are seen as authoritative Ukrainian sources. Unfortunately I have no access to the their Telegram channels so I can not verify the quotes. But it seems clear that Zelenski is going for broke.

Zalusky, the military leader of the Ukrainian army, will not be happy with this decision.

The only Ukrainian hope is that the Russian forces on the western side of the Dnieper can be cut off from the other side to then run out of supplies. The bridges across are damaged or destroyed but Russia has enough ferries to keep the supply line open. Large river crossing are part of every bigger Russian military training event. It has the materials and troops experienced with it. That is why I have my doubt that the Ukrainian hope can be realized.

Meanwhile the Russian military plays its usual defensive game. The frontline along the Kherson regions is currently held by lightly armored airmobile units. Whenever a Ukrainian push gets too strong they pull back from the front line, or leave the town under threat, to let the artillery and airforce do its work. They then pull up mobile reinforcements and push back until they are in their old positions. Rinse and repeat.

While this tactic costs the Russian side some losses the much higher ones are on the Ukrainian side.

The former Indian diplomat M.K. Bhadrakumar writes:

Russia’s “domain control” can be put in perspective: the enemy is, on the one hand, caught on the bare steppe and cut down with the overwhelming superiority of Russian artillery and aviation, and, on the other hand, encountering well-fortified, entrenched defence lines. That said, Zelensky cannot give up, as he is desperately in need of a success story. Kiev still hopes to reverse the situation, but how that is achievable remains to be seen.

Against this sombre backdrop, more and more sceptical voices are being heard in the US about the Biden Administration’s policy trajectory. The latest is an opinion piece in Wall Street Journal by Gen. (Retd) Mark Kimmitt, formerly Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs in the Bush administration. Kimmitt predicts that “a breakthrough is unlikely” and soon, “logistics shortfalls” may force a change in US strategy. ... In principle, the options are: i) “dig deeper into NATO stockpiles being held back for national defences”; ii) “ramp up critical shortfalls” by invoking Defense Production Act and its European equivalents; iii) escalate the conflict by targeting Crimea and Russia itself; or, iv) forcing Zelensky to face the grim reality that “diminishing resupplies” of weaponry actually contains “the message of declining outside support” for the war itself.

The retired general with Republican Party leanings concludes: “Beginning the diplomatic resolution would be distasteful, and perhaps seen as defeatist, but as there is little chance of climbing out of the current morass, it may be better to negotiate now than later… Looking into a future of protracted war, diminishing high-tech systems and mounting casualties, Mr. Zelensky and NATO must face up to tough decisions before those decisions are forced on them.”

Of those four options the first will be rejected by the professional military. The second is, at least in Europe, currently impossible for lack of cheap energy. Metal smelters and forges in Europe are shutting down. The third option, escalation, is the one the neoconservatives will press for, likely with some success. The fourth option is one Joe Biden and other are yet unwilling to take.

I therefore expect that the U.S. will double down, most likely with some new attacks on Crimea and the Kerch bridges.


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To: Travis McGee
Those blue helmets are perfect for sniper targets.....NATO weaponry in action. Armoured vehicles YPR-765 supplied to Ukraine by the Netherlands.......I suspect some of them realize they are but cannon fodder but have not the courage or strength to tell their commanders to go to hell themselves.


21 posted on 09/05/2022 7:19:36 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: delta7
Reserves from the eastern front and Kharkov will be transferred to the Dnepropetrovsk region

That should benefit the Russians in the East.

22 posted on 09/05/2022 7:20:16 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: allendale

Interesting you put it that way.

The Germans were completely flummoxed by the Russians ability to keep up the grind. They just kept coming, no matter how hard you smashed them.

As it stands, Russians have the cash, fuel and support of the people.


23 posted on 09/05/2022 7:22:06 AM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: AAABEST
The Germans were completely flummoxed by the Russians ability to keep up the grind. They just kept coming, no matter how hard you smashed them.

Combined with the Russians' 'cursed capacity for suffering.'

24 posted on 09/05/2022 7:25:14 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: delta7
Was advertised for months?
No superiority in troops or tanks?
Greatly outnumbered in artillery?
Zero air support with an enemy that has air superiority?
With a hodgepodge of various donated equipment and barely trained troops?

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A country TOLD to do so, part of the western “ Russia Derangement Syndrome”.

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I agree, and sprinkle in some vaxxine damage with mass formation psychosis.

25 posted on 09/05/2022 7:25:56 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: srmanuel
I’ve consistently said I don’t believe the propaganda coming out of either side in this war

Agree, with the exception of critical power shortages in Europe related to Russia withholding oil. I believe that completely.

26 posted on 09/05/2022 7:29:31 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: 2banana
Who launches a major offensive that:

Was advertised for months?
No superiority in troops or tanks?
Greatly outnumbered in artillery?
Zero air support with an enemy that has air superiority?
With a hodgepodge of various donated equipment and barely trained troops?

The globohomo Princesses of the Pentagon and the Craven Instigation Agency - that's who.

27 posted on 09/05/2022 7:29:44 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: delta7

Sounds like this report was written in Moscow.


28 posted on 09/05/2022 7:30:30 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: delta7

Is Ukraine looking for 10 year olds to operate RPGs?


29 posted on 09/05/2022 7:30:45 AM PDT by Bloodandgravy (Old necons never die, they just smell that way.)
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To: BobL
They'll kill him. The Bandera groups have the control over him and advising him over his general staff.

He will be worth more as a martyr than alive.

30 posted on 09/05/2022 7:33:38 AM PDT by crz
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To: Fido969
"I thought the Russian only had two weeks worth of shells left... last March."

Propaganda is like drugs - never get high on your own supply. Russia has a huge industrial base and a wealth of natural resources. They'll were never going to run out of artillery shells.

31 posted on 09/05/2022 7:34:33 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: caww

Those blue helmets are perfect for sniper targets.....NATO weaponry in action. Armoured vehicles YPR-765 supplied to Ukraine by the Netherlands.......I suspect some of them realize they are but cannon fodder but have not the courage or strength to tell their commanders to go to hell themselves.

Isn’t one supposed to ride *in* the APC and not *on* the APC?


32 posted on 09/05/2022 7:41:00 AM PDT by Flick Lives (FJB and the corrupt FBI)
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To: JonPreston

I agree with that, Russia has basically shut off all their oil and gas exports to the Western World, especially natural gas to the EU.


33 posted on 09/05/2022 7:41:03 AM PDT by srmanuel (C)
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To: AAABEST; dfwgator
There were a lot more Russians than Germans, and the Russians knew they'd probably be shot by their own side if they retreated.

I wonder how much the loss of the other 14 "republics" has affected the demographic balance. It looks like the ration of Russians to Ukrainians is actually higher than the ratio of Russians to Germans was, but this time it's the Russians who are staying at home more. In the Forties, until late in the war, it was the Germans. Russia put their women in factories and even in the military. Germany tended not to.

34 posted on 09/05/2022 7:41:59 AM PDT by x
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To: delta7
Why do you think a forum where the byline is "Where barflies get together" is a reliable source?

"Moon Of Alabama was opened as an independent, open forum for members of the Whiskey Bar community."

35 posted on 09/05/2022 7:46:26 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: allendale
Yet somehow they seemed to have won.

Only if your source of information is Russian propaganda.

Watch and see what actually happens.

36 posted on 09/05/2022 7:48:35 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Midwesterner53

That “Moon of Alabama” is a stupid stoner nihilist little shit who thinks he is sticking it to his dad when he listens to Russian propaganda and preaches it everywhere.

The new world brought that kids never grow up and that’s why you get puberty rage from 20 and 30 somethings nowadays.


37 posted on 09/05/2022 7:51:53 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: WMarshal
Russia has a huge industrial base

Not really. Their total economy is roughly the size of the economy of Texas, and smaller than California.

Huge applies to nations like the USA or China, not Russia.

38 posted on 09/05/2022 7:51:53 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: srmanuel

I’ve consistently said I don’t believe the propaganda coming out of either side in this war, eventually one side will give up and negotiate.


Agree. However, the level of corruption with Western assistance has given the Ukrainian oligarchs billions of dollars in incentives to not stop 1) the flow of money and 2) continue the conflict to hide the theft of money and materials (corruption).

Putin had largely achieved his goals prior to the start of the conflict but the West kept pushing and now NATO is on the doorstep - supposedly his overarching goal was to avoid this? His decision to begin the conflict does not appear rational to me.

War is the sacrifice of the young for the selfish goals of the old.


39 posted on 09/05/2022 7:52:23 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: freeandfreezing
Keep drinking the WEF kool-Aid and everything will be all good - until it isn't.

Finance funny money and services are the same thing as industrial capacity.

40 posted on 09/05/2022 7:55:41 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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