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Kherson 'Counteroffensive' - Zelenski Is Going For Broke
Moon of Alabama ^ | 5 Sep 22 | B

Posted on 09/05/2022 6:44:24 AM PDT by delta7

After the first Ukrainian attempt to push towards had failed it is now reinforcing that failure. As I describe the move:

The only 'successful' attack was across the Inhulet river near Andriivka in the direction of the dam and river crossing that closes off the Kakhovka Dnieper reservoir. The troops were cut off and mostly destroyed. On the western side of the salient a Russian unit crossed the Inhulet towards north and attacked the Ukrainians on that side. It soon had to pull back and the Ukrainians used the Russian crossing to reconnect with the cut off units in the salient.

More Ukrainian reinforcements were pushed into the salient where they have little natural protection from Russian artillery and air force attacks.

The political leadership of Ukraine is committed to continue this massacre. The Ukrainian Telegram channel 'Resident' reported:

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky holds a meeting every day on the counteroffensive in the South of Ukraine, at the moment the Armed Forces of Ukraine have the opportunity to create a foothold in the Krivoy Rog direction. Zalusky reported on the heavy fighting and losses suffered by the Ukrainian army in the steppes, but the political center of influence insist on continuing the #Battle_for_Kherson operation. Reserves from the eastern front and Kharkov will be transferred to the Dnepropetrovsk region, in order to achieve the advantage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, no information will be officially published in the media until the seizure of territories.

Earlier another war observer noted:

Ukrainian channel Legitimny reports Helensky is prepared to sacrifice up to 20K dead and 40k wounded in the Kherson offensive, which would be 6% of his army. Current losses are around 2% so he's going for 2nd offensive wave. I believe that 60,000 men are more than 10% of the Ukrainian army but that is not the point.

'Resident' and 'Legitimny' are seen as authoritative Ukrainian sources. Unfortunately I have no access to the their Telegram channels so I can not verify the quotes. But it seems clear that Zelenski is going for broke.

Zalusky, the military leader of the Ukrainian army, will not be happy with this decision.

The only Ukrainian hope is that the Russian forces on the western side of the Dnieper can be cut off from the other side to then run out of supplies. The bridges across are damaged or destroyed but Russia has enough ferries to keep the supply line open. Large river crossing are part of every bigger Russian military training event. It has the materials and troops experienced with it. That is why I have my doubt that the Ukrainian hope can be realized.

Meanwhile the Russian military plays its usual defensive game. The frontline along the Kherson regions is currently held by lightly armored airmobile units. Whenever a Ukrainian push gets too strong they pull back from the front line, or leave the town under threat, to let the artillery and airforce do its work. They then pull up mobile reinforcements and push back until they are in their old positions. Rinse and repeat.

While this tactic costs the Russian side some losses the much higher ones are on the Ukrainian side.

The former Indian diplomat M.K. Bhadrakumar writes:

Russia’s “domain control” can be put in perspective: the enemy is, on the one hand, caught on the bare steppe and cut down with the overwhelming superiority of Russian artillery and aviation, and, on the other hand, encountering well-fortified, entrenched defence lines. That said, Zelensky cannot give up, as he is desperately in need of a success story. Kiev still hopes to reverse the situation, but how that is achievable remains to be seen.

Against this sombre backdrop, more and more sceptical voices are being heard in the US about the Biden Administration’s policy trajectory. The latest is an opinion piece in Wall Street Journal by Gen. (Retd) Mark Kimmitt, formerly Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs in the Bush administration. Kimmitt predicts that “a breakthrough is unlikely” and soon, “logistics shortfalls” may force a change in US strategy. ... In principle, the options are: i) “dig deeper into NATO stockpiles being held back for national defences”; ii) “ramp up critical shortfalls” by invoking Defense Production Act and its European equivalents; iii) escalate the conflict by targeting Crimea and Russia itself; or, iv) forcing Zelensky to face the grim reality that “diminishing resupplies” of weaponry actually contains “the message of declining outside support” for the war itself.

The retired general with Republican Party leanings concludes: “Beginning the diplomatic resolution would be distasteful, and perhaps seen as defeatist, but as there is little chance of climbing out of the current morass, it may be better to negotiate now than later… Looking into a future of protracted war, diminishing high-tech systems and mounting casualties, Mr. Zelensky and NATO must face up to tough decisions before those decisions are forced on them.”

Of those four options the first will be rejected by the professional military. The second is, at least in Europe, currently impossible for lack of cheap energy. Metal smelters and forges in Europe are shutting down. The third option, escalation, is the one the neoconservatives will press for, likely with some success. The fourth option is one Joe Biden and other are yet unwilling to take.

I therefore expect that the U.S. will double down, most likely with some new attacks on Crimea and the Kerch bridges.


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Any comments from Biden’s war cheerleaders?
1 posted on 09/05/2022 6:44:24 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

Lindsey GrahamIdiot approves.

‘Senator Lindsey Graham wants to fund Ukraine until the “Last Ukrainian” is dead.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MSWezIB06g


2 posted on 09/05/2022 6:46:02 AM PDT by cranked
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To: delta7

eventually he’ll run out of other people’s money to gamble with


3 posted on 09/05/2022 6:47:34 AM PDT by bigbob (z)
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To: delta7

This sounds a lot like the Battle of the Bulge. Once it’s over, the war is essentially over.


4 posted on 09/05/2022 6:48:13 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: delta7

Zalenskyy is a comedian, not a field marshal. His meddling is getting troops killed.

He is also responding to pressure from the Western nations to “do something”.


5 posted on 09/05/2022 6:51:53 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: delta7

NATO will fight until the last Ukrainian.

“Ukrainian channel Legitimny reports Helensky is prepared to sacrifice up to 20K dead and 40k wounded in the Kherson offensive, which would be 6% of his army.”


6 posted on 09/05/2022 6:52:16 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: delta7

“In principle, the options are:...ii) “ramp up critical shortfalls” by invoking Defense Production Act”

SERIOUSLY??? They haven’t even done that little? I figured that it was invoked on Feb 25, which is why I was never hearing about it.

Guess it never occurred to them, as they think Russia is losing due to only reading the NY Times.


7 posted on 09/05/2022 6:52:23 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: bigbob

They’re calling the area around Kherson a graveyard. Zelesnky’s battle cry is get back up and keep going regardless of the death toll - (over and over again) - which has been massive.

Nato wants to see land regained.


8 posted on 09/05/2022 6:55:14 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: delta7

I’ve consistently said I don’t believe the propaganda coming out of either side in this war, eventually one side will give up and negotiate.

If Russia can’t be pushed out of Ukraine, which I don’t think Ukraine is capable of, I doubt Putin would be willing to negotiate anytime soon.

Given the sanctions that Western Countries have placed on Russia, he will likely force them to go thru the winter at the very least before negotiating and he might hold out until all sanctions are lifted by every Western Country before negotiating.


9 posted on 09/05/2022 6:55:14 AM PDT by srmanuel (C)
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To: delta7

Who launches a major offensive that:

Was advertised for months?
No superiority in troops or tanks?
Greatly outnumbered in artillery?
Zero air support with an enemy that has air superiority?
With a hodgepodge of various donated equipment and barely trained troops?


10 posted on 09/05/2022 6:55:51 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: delta7
Let's ask the German voters what they think.


11 posted on 09/05/2022 6:56:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: All

Is Zelenski the same as Zelensky or Zelenskyy ?


12 posted on 09/05/2022 6:56:47 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: delta7

Hard to get reliable information regarding this war. If however the Ukrainians were unable to take advantage of the unique opportunity of the “Kherson bridgehead”, then they really have no realistic chance to win. The Russians had 25,000 hard pressed, poorly supplied troops with their backs against the Dnieper with the bridges cut. They had no reliable means to resupply, reinforce or withdraw. Yet somehow they seemed to have won. Seems like a repeat of the Battle of Stalingrad.


13 posted on 09/05/2022 6:58:19 AM PDT by allendale
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To: delta7

I thought the Russian only had two weeks worth of shells left... last March.


14 posted on 09/05/2022 7:00:31 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: cranked

15 posted on 09/05/2022 7:00:53 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: delta7
Nothing about this offensive looks like some hyper-aggressive "going for broke". It looks pretty methodical, beginning with shaping the battlefield. This isn't the Brusilov Offensive.

I expect we'll see more ramping up of production of munitions we are sending to Ukraine. And frankly, considering who this war is against, NATO can afford to draw down its stockpiles to some extent because there's really nobody else to fight. A land war against China is unlikely in the extreme.

16 posted on 09/05/2022 7:02:40 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin (I personally am skeptical of the quality of most Russian troops as well)
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To: allendale
Russians had 25,000 hard pressed, poorly supplied troops

Don't be so quick to buy into the propaganda that Russians are "running out of supplies". We've been hearing that for 6 months.

17 posted on 09/05/2022 7:03:30 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: delta7

The leaders in the west will fight to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.


18 posted on 09/05/2022 7:08:03 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: BobL
This sounds a lot like the Battle of the Bulge.

Except in the Ardennes there was a substantial breakthrough and a general collapse by the defenders. Northwind might be a better analogy. Or even the French invasion of Germany in 1939.

19 posted on 09/05/2022 7:14:13 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: 2banana

Who launches a major offensive that:

Was advertised for months?
No superiority in troops or tanks?
Greatly outnumbered in artillery?
Zero air support with an enemy that has air superiority?
With a hodgepodge of various donated equipment and barely trained troops?
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A country TOLD to do so, part of the western “ Russia Derangement Syndrome”.
…..Fighting Vlad down to the last Ukrainian….events are shaping up to reasonably deduce the West has plans to carve up a totally destroyed Ukraine.

The West knows Vlad will never give up an inch of the ethnic Russian territories.
That leaves the East to Russia, and the Western ethnic Ukrainian areas go back to their historic countries, Poland, Romania, etc.

Conflict solved. Russia gets their NATO buffer zone, nations surrounding Ukraine get their historic territory back, and Ukraine gets to keep Kiev area.

Ukraine RIP 1991-2023


20 posted on 09/05/2022 7:14:15 AM PDT by delta7
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