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The Crisis Brewing in China is likely to Affect Everyone
Mint ^ | 8/22/22 | Sandipan Deb

Posted on 08/22/2022 9:18:24 AM PDT by EBH

The unravelling of its real estate sector after decades of debt fueled growth may have major knock-on effects

One of the most worrying economic stories in the world right now is unfolding in China’s real estate sector. To put it in perspective, real estate drives nearly one-third of China’s economic activity, and housing accounts for about 70% of household wealth. Nearly 30% of all bank loans are property-related.

The ripple effects are impacting the entire Chinese economy—it grew only 0.4% in the last quarter compared to the previous year—and may turn contagious around the world.

Here are some numbers. Some 21 major developers have defaulted on their debts in the last year, led by China Evergrande Group, the country’s second-largest real estate company, which has been creaking under $300 billion in liabilities. S&P Global Ratings has warned that around 20% of the Chinese developers it rates are at risk of insolvency.

(Excerpt) Read more at livemint.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chainreaction; chinacrash; globalchain
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1 posted on 08/22/2022 9:18:24 AM PDT by EBH
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To: EBH

Never fear - electric cars will save the day.


2 posted on 08/22/2022 9:21:51 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: EBH

Perfect excuse to invade Taiwan, collapse the West and go to war with Russia and Iran as their allies.


3 posted on 08/22/2022 9:22:05 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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Red China’s real estate crisis mated with their wicked drought will either chill them out/back them off, or as some think - the best way out of a national crisis is a war.


4 posted on 08/22/2022 9:22:32 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: EBH

Serpenteza had the opinion that the chicom control over information and the economy was so rigid and complete that they could circumvent a total collapse and stage it so that it didn’t totally destroy the commie “economy” as they label it.


5 posted on 08/22/2022 9:22:41 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: EBH

This week buy potatoes, tomatoes, and beer!
(my brew just went up 15% to $11.49/6 can)


6 posted on 08/22/2022 9:24:03 AM PDT by griswold3 (When chaos serves the State, the State will encourage chaos.)
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Sum ting wong


7 posted on 08/22/2022 9:26:30 AM PDT by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: EBH

This is a good summary.

Even in China’s financial/banking system, which is effectively 100% state-owned and state/party-directed at some level, debt-bubbles must eventually pop.

I think its a wonderful thing.

Once again we see, NO central planner, politician, or human system is ever greater than what God has outlined for humanity.


8 posted on 08/22/2022 9:27:27 AM PDT by PGR88
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Gee, I guess we’d better bail them out, huh?


9 posted on 08/22/2022 9:31:40 AM PDT by _longranger81
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To: EBH

China, hell!

We’re already in a recession here in the USA. But don’t watch the News to find out about it... They ain’t talking about it. Biden/democrat Protection Team...


10 posted on 08/22/2022 9:33:29 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: dsrtsage

Open a pub.

Name it: Crisis Brewing


11 posted on 08/22/2022 9:38:32 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: EBH

Brian Deese, our defacto president and Blackrock will prop up China.


12 posted on 08/22/2022 9:44:06 AM PDT by blackdog (Cooler King Joe, killing a winning nation every day. )
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To: EBH

That well known aphorism of “Those who do not know history ...” applies here as China could just have looked across to Japan to see the 30 years of woe from their ‘asset bubble” popping in 1990.

From a flat & ruined country in 1945, Japan, freed from military spending, and a vital link for US defense in the face of the Soviet Union and Mao’s Red China, went on an economic tear that made its GDP in the top 5 of the world. By the late 1980s, real estate in Tokyo was so expensive that a 10 square foot parcel near the Imperial Palace was sold for $600,000.

However, that ‘Japanese Economic Miracle’ was unsustainable, resting upon an impossible sub 1% interest rate to feed the speculative fever! When the Japanese Central Bank stepped on the brakes by raising those interest rates, the 1990s became Japan’s “Lost Decade” which still weighs on Japan’s economy 30 years later.

The problem in China (Peoples Republic of China) is far murkier as so much is government owned or controlled. At the same time, it is not just the people who have been speculative, so has the Government. In their military, their foreign spending (Belt and Road) and their stock market propping. They are like the child, uncertain of their balance, who cannot stop running lest they crash.

Yes a dictatorship can get away with a lot as they own the guns BUT while the economic laws of finance are not as abrupt as Newton’s, they are there and painful!


13 posted on 08/22/2022 10:10:12 AM PDT by SES1066 (More & more it looks like Brandon's best decision was Kamala! UGH!)
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and then there’s the drought


14 posted on 08/22/2022 10:21:43 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman (The Gates of hell shall not prevail against you)
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To: EBH

The thing to remember is that real estate in China is bought with cash, in advance. The loans are to the developers, who had been running hundreds of Ponzi schemes with the money, using new money to complete the building of other people’s buildings. When the new money dried up, the Ponzi had to stop.

The Chinese government is talking about forcing the owners of the development companies to sell all their personal assets and finish the buildings. And only some of the developers kept enough in assets in China to pay, as most sent as much as possible to Canada and these States to buy North American real estate. The Canadian response was to stop new Chinese money buying real estate, by massive taxes all ALL ex-pats wanting to invest in Canadian real estate. The Chinese families will keep the North American properties and lose their family patriarchs.

The Chinese government will end up owning a percentage of the unfinished properties, and hire new managers to complete the construction. The buyers, mostly Chinese rich and connected, will suffer some losses. Real estate in China does not use financial leverage, except for the developers.


15 posted on 08/22/2022 10:26:02 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Demonetize the Left. Buy nothing from them. Sell nothing to them. Shun them.)
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To: PGR88

“Even in China’s financial/banking system, which is effectively 100% state-owned and state/party-directed at some level, debt-bubbles must eventually pop.”

That is true—the problem is that they have gotten so large they can take a lot of other economies down with them.


16 posted on 08/22/2022 10:28:48 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: SES1066

“the economic laws of finance are not as abrupt as Newton’s, they are there and painful!”

The rules are very simple—the bigger the bubble blows the more disastrous the popping of the bubble.


17 posted on 08/22/2022 10:30:23 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: Scrambler Bob; MinuteGal; M Kehoe

“Open a pub.
Name it: Crisis Brewing”

Very clever name, lol. A good play of words.


18 posted on 08/22/2022 11:36:31 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump should announce 2024 run now, pre-indictment by Dems; change the Jan 6 narrative)
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To: EBH

China has nothing to fear for their real estate sector.

Traitor Joe will sell them enough American real estate around our sensitive military bases while Congress nods approvingly.


19 posted on 08/22/2022 11:48:29 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Erik Latranyi
"Perfect excuse to invade Taiwan, collapse the West and go to war with Russia and Iran as their allies.

Kind of hard to fight a war when you are flat broke and the population are rebelling...

20 posted on 08/22/2022 12:42:14 PM PDT by MichaelRDanger
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