Posted on 08/02/2022 6:35:39 PM PDT by Trump20162020
Ballot measure to remove right to abortion from the Kansas state constitution is strongly rejected.
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I have a general theory that there are a portion of voters who vote Republican for certain reasons - namely the economy. I think other things that play a role are secure borders, foreign policy, and the Second Amendment.
Those people tolerated the GOP’s stance on abortion because it simply didn’t matter to them or affect them. Yeah, a state might have passed some restrictions here or there, but nothing much really happened.
Then Roe v Wade was overturned. The media has exploited the various hard cases which account for less than 5% of abortions. Although, I really don’t know that it’s just the hard cases. I think there is a chunk of the Republican party that supports abortion. They want it legal on demand.
Perhaps it’s a libertarian perspective or perhaps it’s the fact that they want that option for themselves/their family. Those people are now faced with a dilemma with Roe being overturned and restrictions being put into place in some states. Do I think many of them will state vote Republican? I do, but depending on how important the issue, a minority may not. This was a perfect opportunity for those Republicans who will stay Republican because they could still vote in the Republican primary and then vote to keep abortion. It was a win win.
This is very sad to see.
As I have repeatedly said.......there are no more political solutions.
I have considered in terms of the Republicans winning it all in 2024, it might be more likely if the Dems have another 2 years of control and do a poor job.
IOW what you said is exactly true, understated, but true.
As President Trump like to say: “not good”.
Yes He will, and most deservedly.
Before I ramble on - I’m adopted and I’m pro-life, but in the UK where we’re a minority (and a moderate one too). Looking at this, I think actually a lot of even republican America might be like parts of the UK, not that this’ll be a popular opinion here.
1. Being a pro-lifer in the UK involves a careful walking of the line between being EFFECTIVE with arguments, and coming across (or being painted as) as an unhinged, ultra-religious, fundamentalist, misogynist, PERMANENTLY ANGRY crank.
2. I am willing to bet that many conservative communities, even in the USA, have a “silent majority” who don’t want to be associated with any “bad advert” for the cause. Of course, here it’s easy to be caricatured as the kind of nutjob Karen who stands outside abortion clinics screaming abuse at workers OR women going into them (while waving placards showing aborted fetuses) IF that’s how you act.
3. Here, the pro-life message sells a whole lot better by being realistic and making the positive case. The strongest advocates avoid bitter pills and angry protests completely - they talk prevention being better than cure, and about community support, fostering and adoption. They lobby for the state and charities to ensure that care for the unborn doesn’t just stop at a live birth.
4. We have TOO MANY kids stuck in the care system, or being abused at home, just because they weren’t wanted in the first place and aren’t being cared for. I bet the same issue persists across the USA. Maybe their parents are unable/unwilling to care for them. Maybe they have huge health problems that require round the clock care. Banning abortion without coherently addressing these challenges first, seems to many people to be wrongheaded. If you can resolve the MOTIVES for abortion, you can get rid of abortion a whole lot easier.
5. The vast majority of OUR church-going, devout Christians make a clear distinction between elective abortion for lifestyle reasons (especially in the 2nd-3rd trimesters), and abortions for medical/mental health reasons. The former is increasingly indefensible in this day and age due to medical advances but the latter has INCREASED its defensible arguments for the same reason. Earlier detection of pregnancy or acute health issue diagnoses now mean that it’s quite possible to abort a fetus long before it’s developed consciousness.
6. (5) creates a significant philosophical issue- either you believe the soul is bestowed on a fertilised egg at the very moment of conception or you believe in the science that OBSERVES that, for the first eight weeks after fertilization there’s nothing but a non-sentient bunch of self-replicating cells with something like a 70% failure rate no matter how much effort you put into improving its chances.
Even with IVF where VIABLE fertilised eggs are implanted, barely 1 in four make it to term. The failure rate was far higher than that before the 20th century - and infant mortality rates FAR higher. Across the entire historical sample the authors found that on average, 26.9% of newborns died in their first year of life. 100 years ago every third child would’ve died before it was five years old; almost a century later that’s dropped to 4%. But 4% of the global under-5 population is still an enormous number.
In fact, some argue, if you left it only to GOD HIMSELF to decide, and made no attempt to influence the outcome, at best 1 fertilised egg out of every 4 fertilised egg will make it to a live birth and 1 in 20 of the live births would die in the first month.
When elective abortion accounts for 1/5 of all prenatal deaths, some point out, it’ll be hitting the lower limit of what GOD HIMSELF was doing pretty consistently until medical advances in the 20th century made it possible to intervene.
I took your response that way. It’s such a big mess.
Poll after poll after poll has consistently shown that a majority of Americans (to include many Republicans and Trump-voters) support legal abortion in the first trimester.
Many people here don't want to hear it and expect politicians to champion laws that are 100% pro-life with zero exceptions. Roe was a convenient foil that allowed GOP politicians to do just that, back extreme anti-abortion measures that would please the pro-life side of their base, while still retaining many more moderate voters, because they knew that these laws would be struck down in the courts.
Now Roe is gone and we are going to see where the issue truly stands. And those who think it stands firmly behind life without exceptions are likely to find themselves on the losing side of elections except in the safest of red districts (and maybe not even there, as the results of this referendum has demonstrated).
"Dominion voting machines!!!"
i have no idea what this means - reporting on it has been lousy - along with results from AZ
It would seem that even in places where abortion will be maintained, that there will be some cap on how far into the term it can be performed.
Yes, 20 weeks. After that it's life of the mother.
I hear your points, and they have some merit. However, that wasn’t the case before the SCOTUS. Maybe someday they will rule Federally that it has that similarity to slavery, but for now, I’m happy they sent it back to the States... instead of mandating abortion availability nationwide.
People who are surprised by this result need to get out more.
Ireland amended her constitution by referendum in 1983 to ban abortion. The amendment was repealed by referendum in 2018 by a 2/3 majority.
The result was a wild open-air celebration all over the island that lasted a week:
The anti-Roe case has always been bifurcated between those objecting to the unconstitutional seizure of power by USSC in 1973 and those objecting to the slaughter of babies.
What is about to be revealed, as states work through the legislative process, is that abortion is essential to free sexual expression outside of marriage, it is, in effect, the cornerstone of our "If it feels good, do it" national motto.
Based on the history of the War on Drugs we don’t, unfortunately. There is already an organization with a website which enables women to get a prescription from a foreign doctor, which is filled by a foreign pharmacy which mails the pills to women, so the doctors and the pharmacies are beyond the reach of state law enforcement.
The big problem, in my view, is the large block of independent voters, a group as large or larger than Republicans or Democrats. If Democratic lies convince them that Republicans want to turn women into slaves for pumping out babies or something, this group which would normally vote against the party in power in the midterms could turn against us in November, based on what just happened in Kansas, where 20% of the electorate turned out only to vote on the referendum and not either party’s primaries.
Some people may look at abortion as a matter of privacy and personal liberty, which is a pretty red state viewpoint.
You can vote for all Republicans, and yet still vote against adding another way for government to insert itself into people’s private lives. Just means that there are some Republicans who agree with most of the platform, just not abortion.
Some might forget, no matter how “red” anyone thinks Kansas is, it does have a female Dim governor.
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