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Jordan Peterson's Critique of Voluptuous Women Is Misplaced
Townhall,com ^ | May 19, 2022 | Laura Hollis

Posted on 05/19/2022 6:57:19 AM PDT by Kaslin

Sports Illustrated is making headlines for its annual swimsuit edition again. This year, the magazine featured Yumi Nu, described as “the first plus-sized Asian American model” to make the cover of the swimsuit edition. The decision has garnered a great deal of positive press both for Nu and Sports Illustrated.

Not everyone was impressed, however. Dr. Jordan Peterson is a clinical psychologist, YouTube personality, professor emeritus at the University of Toronto and bestselling author of several books.

Peterson is a complex character -- brilliant and unafraid to stand up to the worst excesses of contemporary culture, a trait that has earned him both widespread respect and equally vociferous loathing. (He has also suffered from depression and crippling anxiety -- no doubt exacerbated by his frequent forays into contentious debates on the most hot-button issues of our time.)

Peterson’s tweet about this year’s Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover ignited yet another of his famous firestorms. He wrote: “Sorry. Not beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that.” The backlash was immediate. In response to his critics, Peterson elaborated in a subsequent tweet: “It’s a conscious progressive attempt to manipulate & retool the notion of beauty, reliant on the idiot philosophy that such preferences are learned & properly changed by those who know better.”

Peterson is entitled to his opinion, of course. In my opinion, his critique is misplaced.

His protests notwithstanding, there is plenty of evidence that historical “notions of beauty” included plumper, more rounded women, and that men have found such women very attractive indeed. Artifacts from antiquity, like the Venus of Willendorf and countless Greek and Roman statues, often depicted goddesses and other female ideals as full-figured. Seventeenth-century Flemish painter Peter Paul Rubens painted voluptuous women so often that the word "Rubenesque" was coined to describe them -- flatteringly. Even as recently as the 1950s and early 1960s, Marilyn Monroe’s rounded hourglass figure was considered a standard of female beauty.

There are likely evolutionary reasons behind the preference for fleshier women; females with higher percentage of body fat would be better able to bear and nurse offspring (who would themselves then be more likely to survive) even during times of food privation.

The problem isn’t a full-figured model. Ms. Nu is lovely. But the swimsuit she wears on the cover is ugly and unflattering. A well-designed swimsuit would capitalize on her beauty and her build. But a suit that is both too small and flattens a woman’s breasts flatters no one.

Why does this matter? Because it reflects an accelerating cultural trend toward the ugly and vulgar.

The best designers (Charles Worth, Coco Chanel, Christian Dior, Hubert de Givenchy, Oscar de la Renta) had a history of creating clothing that was beautiful and flattering to the female form (and male, for that matter), whether the wearer was tall or short, thinner or heavier. But many of today’s celebrated designers are talentless hacks competing in an attention-getting circus of sadism and starvation, appalling ugliness and absurdity. (And if the women’s clothing designers are bad, the men’s designers are worse. If that’s possible.) Yet the elites in the media and entertainment industries rave about their “genius” and “art.” The result is a race to the bottom -- literally.

Even given an ill-fitted suit, the SI cover is modest compared with some of the vulgar extremes indulged in by our entertainers. Take Lizzo, for example, a very pretty but morbidly obese singer who likes to appear in public wearing little more than see-through mesh dresses or fabric floss between the halves of her impressively large posterior. (Including while doing such pedestrian things as attending a gala event or mounting the stairs to her private jet. Don't we all sport thongs -- and nothing else -- while getting into our Lears, Gulfstreams and Bombardiers to attend (ahem) climate change events?)

Inevitably, any criticism prompts loud accusations of “fat shaming.” Nonsense. Objection to that behavior isn't grounded in "lack of body positivity;" it's a rejection of needless vulgarity. Yet again, there is ample evidence that the public can and does value the talent and contributions of female performers, for example, without regard to their body size or shape: Consider “First Lady of Radio” Kate Smith, opera divas Montserrat Caballe and Deborah Voigt, soul legends Aretha Franklin and Jill Scott, hip-hop stars like Queen Latifah and Missy Elliott and pop crooner Adele.

Some of these artists made decisions to lose weight. Others remained “comfortable in their own skin,” as it were. The point is that they are (or were) able to appear in public sporting their individual style, but properly clothed.

It's not differently shaped bodies that the cultural elites want us to "celebrate." That, within reason, would be of social value. (Ignoring the serious health consequences of obesity, which the COVID-19 pandemic amplified, is irresponsible.) Rather, it's the complete breakdown of standards of decency in public behavior. And it is just as gross, artless and inappropriate when it's done by the perfectly toned Madonna as it is when Lizzo does it.

Peterson says he has “quit Twitter” following the outrage over his latest tweet. We’ll see. Peterson's personal taste may run to trimmer females, and that is his right, but if he weighs in again, his ire should be focused on the fashion, publishing and entertainment industries, not a woman with -- yes -- a perfectly normal figure.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
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To: Kaslin

Maybe they’ll have an anorexic trans on the cover next year. So many boundaries to cross, so many ceilings to shatter. What fun.


21 posted on 05/19/2022 7:16:43 AM PDT by Quentin Quarantino
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To: frogjerk

Peterson’s critique was not against the woman herself - it was against corrupt, controlled media trying to use the power of propaganda to re-define what “beauty” is.

it is exactly they have been doing for the last few decades on EVERY aspect of society.


22 posted on 05/19/2022 7:17:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Kaslin

Covergirls for insulin advertising I guess.


23 posted on 05/19/2022 7:18:58 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: VicVanleeuwenhoek

“So, what Sport, exactly, is she good at ?”

Pie eating contest?


24 posted on 05/19/2022 7:19:17 AM PDT by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: Kaslin

Whale on the beach!


25 posted on 05/19/2022 7:19:55 AM PDT by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.)
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To: Kaslin

Over the years there has been a concerted effort to normalize morbid obesity. This is just a part of that effort. Not long ago there were several articles going around that said that the obsession with dieting, exercise, and good health were “racist”.

Oriental women are usually quite thin, so that is why I suspect they put a fat Oriental woman on their cover to convince these women to fatten up so they won’t be considered “racist”.


26 posted on 05/19/2022 7:20:34 AM PDT by euram
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To: PGR88
Peterson’s critique was not against the woman herself - it was against corrupt, controlled media trying to use the power of propaganda to re-define what “beauty” is.

What's the difference if you allow yourself to be used to that end?

27 posted on 05/19/2022 7:21:52 AM PDT by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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To: Kaslin

What utter nonsense! Jordan is correct, obesity and especially exogenous obesity is not pretty or healthy and will disfigure them as they age.


28 posted on 05/19/2022 7:24:43 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: PGR88
Peterson's critique was not against the woman herself - it was against corrupt, controlled media trying to use the power of propaganda to re-define what "beauty" is.

Exactly. I think this piece that calls Peterson's criticism "misplaced" is -- well, misplaced. :-P

29 posted on 05/19/2022 7:29:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: MHGinTN
What utter nonsense! Jordan is correct, obesity and especially exogenous obesity is not pretty or healthy and will disfigure them as they age.

THIS^^^

Stop celebrating mediocrity.

30 posted on 05/19/2022 7:36:09 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (I'm ULTRA MAGA.)
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To: Kaslin

Hey, to each his own. The main takeaway from this is that conservatives are scorched for having ANY opinion, while leftists can be as vile as they please.


31 posted on 05/19/2022 7:36:16 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: Kaslin

One would think that SPORTS Illustrated would use athletic women…


32 posted on 05/19/2022 7:36:57 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: frogjerk
She doesn't have a double chin, so if everything below the boobs was cropped out... it wouldn't be as bad.


33 posted on 05/19/2022 7:37:41 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Pollard
"The latest in runway models"


34 posted on 05/19/2022 7:42:49 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: Kaslin

It’s like the Homer Simpson in a Speedo episode


35 posted on 05/19/2022 7:49:07 AM PDT by georgecorgi
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To: Kaslin
(He [Peterson] has also suffered from depression and crippling anxiety -- no doubt exacerbated by his frequent forays into contentious debates on the most hot-button issues of our time.)

Stopped reading right there. When a writer deploys the snark tactic to denigrate their opponent, they’ve already lost the argument.

36 posted on 05/19/2022 7:50:11 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domi/i><p>! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: Kaslin

Like most people that knee-jerk against Peterson, the writer isn’t understanding what he is saying.


37 posted on 05/19/2022 7:59:07 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: Kaslin

I guess SI can put anyone they want on their cover. Doesn’t mean everybody has to agree on what is attractive.


38 posted on 05/19/2022 8:01:12 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Kaslin
His protests notwithstanding, there is plenty of evidence that historical “notions of beauty” included plumper, more rounded women, and that men have found such women very attractive indeed.

Who cares what people liked "historically"? This is now, and fat women are not attractive. Reubens-styled women are not attractive by today's standards. These leftists don't want us to ogle attractive women, but they want to force us to look at fat women.

And the author is in idiot to think that "voluptuous" means "fat".


39 posted on 05/19/2022 8:01:20 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (11/3-11/4/2020 - The USA became a banana republic.)
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To: Kaslin

She passed “voluptuous” at least 100lbs ago. She is deep in the realm of morbidly obese and unhealthy. A century ago she would have been the fat woman exhibit at the circus, not a magazine cover model. Our society has too many people like this today and we need to stop excusing and glorifying it and fix the problem. It is literally killing people.


40 posted on 05/19/2022 8:06:43 AM PDT by Flying Circus (God help us )
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