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Nature versus nurture? Nurture!

Doesn't prove intelligence has no genetic component, but upbringing really does count.

1 posted on 05/09/2022 5:13:45 AM PDT by Salman
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If your raised on nonsense such as man not necessarily male, then you can never develop rational logic.


59 posted on 05/09/2022 6:26:50 AM PDT by fruser1
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the twin who was adopted by the U.S. couple, in contrast, reported a stricter, more religiously-oriented environment . . . The twin raised in South Korea scored considerably higher on intelligence tests related

Somehow you knew that was coming. Those stupid religious Christians in the US are dumbing-down everyone's intelligence.

62 posted on 05/09/2022 6:33:03 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To my knowledge, this is the first ever study to challenge dozens of separated-twins-with-same-IQ studies.


63 posted on 05/09/2022 6:33:55 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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Intelligence is strongly genetic. Like 95%. And several % from being breast-fed.

Howver you can *reduce* effective IQ with bad nuture. Meaning - bad food and drink, not so much bad education.

For completeness - it’s also possible that the IQ tests used in this case introduced artefacts.


68 posted on 05/09/2022 6:42:05 AM PDT by agere_contra
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This reinforces other studies I’ve seen that culture directly affects IQ scores.

I’ve seen studies of US blacks in the German educational system.

They have much higher scores than American blacks in the US educational system. Difference is culture.


72 posted on 05/09/2022 7:02:24 AM PDT by ckilmer (qui)
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Whatever nature provides in the way of intelligence requires education in order to develop to the fullest. South Koreans are famously hard-working and serious-minded, including in the education of children. The result is a population that is intelligent and a country that is highly productive and well-ordered.


73 posted on 05/09/2022 7:07:08 AM PDT by Rockingham
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Yeah, but the California twin is woker, which is the desired result...


75 posted on 05/09/2022 7:26:21 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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Methodology matters.

16 points difference for identical twins is BS.

And the results will never be repeated.


83 posted on 05/09/2022 7:53:19 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Doesn't prove intelligence has no genetic component, but upbringing really does count.

I read a ton of monozygotic twins raised apart studies in college. When there was a significant measurable difference, a little digging found the fly in the ointment. In some cases, the lower IQ of the two had a lower birth weight. Unequal access to nutrition in the womb. Others had a childhood disease that caused cognitive impairment. When raised apart, the less developed twin in a less nurturing childhood environment was typically able to "catch up" with 6 months of focused tutoring to even the odds.

84 posted on 05/09/2022 7:55:20 AM PDT by Myrddin
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“The twins were born in 1974 in Seoul, South Korea. One of the twins became lost at age two after visiting a market with her grandmother. She was later taken to a hospital that was approximately 100 miles away from her family’s residence and diagnosed with the measles. Despite her family’s attempt to find her, she was placed into the foster system and ended up being adopted by a couple residing in the United States.”

I think extended social/emotional trauma at a critical developmental stage is a more likely explanation than general environmental/culture/nurture effects.


85 posted on 05/09/2022 8:06:55 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Not even the police are safe from the police!!!)
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The mind is just like muscles.
It needs to be exercised or it atrophies.
The USA school system has failed to deliver for the last 50 years.
I was lucky as my dad filled in the huge holes in my “public education”


91 posted on 05/09/2022 8:52:16 AM PDT by Zathras
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The US twin had measles at a very young age. Depending on how severe the case was that alone could explain the small difference in IQ


96 posted on 05/09/2022 10:35:47 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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One set of twins is an anecdote, not a study.


97 posted on 05/09/2022 10:41:49 AM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas)
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There are no differences in intelligence.
All people are exactly equally intelligent.
Al Sharpton has exactly the same IQ as Albert Einstein had.
All methods and metrics yet devised for measuring intelligence are both unscientifical and/or culturally biased, and all claims to the contrary are rayciss.


98 posted on 05/09/2022 1:17:09 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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Nature and Nurture are both necessary but not indivually sufficient. To illustrate think of two scenarios:

1) The most genetically intelligent baby ever is born in a Planned Parenthood facility and used for parts.

2) A bag of rocks is given the finest education ever.

103 posted on 05/10/2022 11:26:43 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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Proof that being exposed to liberals kills brain cells.


104 posted on 05/10/2022 4:27:59 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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