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‘The king of battle’ — How US artillery in the hands of Ukrainians may reshape the war with Russia
Task & Purpose ^ | May 2, 2022 | Jeff Schogol

Posted on 05/05/2022 3:37:28 AM PDT by tlozo

The 90 M777 howitzers that the United States is providing to Ukraine will not only make it more difficult for the Russians to move out in the open but the guns could also support a future Ukrainian offensive to reclaim Russian-occupied parts of their country, experts told Task & Purpose.

About 70 of the 155 mm guns along with roughly 70,000 artillery rounds have been transferred to Ukraine so far, a senior defense official told reporters on Monday. More than 200 Ukrainian troops are expected to be trained on how to operate the howitzers by the end of Monday with another 50 Ukrainian service members scheduled to begin training later this week.

The first Ukrainian artillerymen were trained by Canadian troops and other Ukrainians were taught how to operate the howitzers by Florida National Guardsmen, the senior defense official said at a Pentagon news briefing. Those guardsmen had been on a training mission inside Ukraine before the Russian invasion and now they are continuing their mission in Germany.

Even in this age of modern – and often over-engineered – weapons systems, artillery has proven its worth time and again on the battlefield. During the 2017 fight to drive the Islamic State group from its former capital of Raqqa, Syria, a Marine artillery detachment fired so many 155 mm rounds in support of Syrian Democratic Forces that they burned out the barrels of two of their M777 howitzers.

“The one thing on artillery is: We’ve always called it ‘the king of battle,’ back to Napoleonic times, just because there’s really no defense against it once it’s firing,” said Marine Col. James W. Frey, a senior military fellow at the Center for a New American Security think tank in Washington, D.C.

Another inherent advantage of artillery is that it can be fired in all weather conditions and at any time of day or night, Frey told Task & Purpose.

The howitzers will help Ukrainian forces hinder the Russian’s ability to maneuver, he said. Because it’s muddy in spring, the Russians are likely to stick to the roads when they move. Using drones and other forms of reconnaissance, the Ukrainians can constantly monitor those roads and strike with artillery when needed.

“The artillery just gives you a lot more options 24/7 without having to expose people within that distance,” Frey said.

Since the Ukrainians know their own territory better than the Russians, they can also design their defenses to channel Russian advances into kill zones, where the Russian forces could be destroyed by artillery, Frey said.

“There’s only so many lines of communication to go in and out for those roads – especially if you’re working heavier equipment and logistics that the Russians are depending on,” Frey said. “You could certainly knock that out because there’s only so many avenues of approach that they could use.

The Defense Department is also providing Ukrainian forces with 14 counter-artillery radars. Combined with those radars, which the Ukrainians have been receiving since 2015, the howitzers will allow Ukrainian forces to target and attack Russian tube and rocket artillery, said retired Army Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, former commander of U.S. Army Europe.

“The radar intercepts incoming artillery and then your own guns can shoot back at where it came from quickly,” Hodges said. “This is an important part of the fight. And so, providing the Ukrainians additional artillery will enable them to destroy – or at least disrupt – the Russian artillery and rocket launchers that are causing the most damage against Ukrainians – but also against towns and cities.”

Artillery is generally used against targets in the open, such as air defense systems, logistics areas, and convoys of lightly armored vehicles, Hodges said. Other prime targets for artillery include command posts and headquarters.

“If you discover a division or combined arms army headquarters in a village or set up somewhere – that’s exactly what you would want to do, is hammer that with artillery,” Hodges said.

The Ukrainians claim they have already killed and wounded several Russian general officers by attacking enemy command posts, including Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, General of the Army Valery Gerasimov. However, U.S. officials have not confirmed these claims.

As well as providing the Ukrainians with a strong defensive capability, the howitzers would also allow Ukrainian forces to switch to offense, Hodges said. “If there is a counterattack of any sort by the Ukrainians or a conventional counter-offensive, they will need the artillery to support their attack as well,” he said.

There are two ways the Ukrainians could use their new howitzers to go on the attack: They could fire massive barrages to blow holes through the Russian lines, or they could destroy Russian artillery ahead of the attack, said retired Army Col. Tom Davis, who led the 4th Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment in the 3rd Armored Division during the 1991 Gulf War.

Every time the Russians fire one of their own artillery pieces, they will have to pack up and move to avoid the Ukrainian counter fire, Davis told Task & Purpose. The Russians also tend to concentrate their artillery “hub-to-hub” while the U.S. military keeps artillery units spread out as a form of protection.

Ultimately, the Ukrainians should receive a total of 183,000 artillery rounds for their M777 howitzers, according to the Defense Department. To put that number into perspective, Davis said that his battalion fired fewer than 1,000 rounds during the Gulf War’s four-day ground campaign.

“If they’re getting 180,000 some-odd rounds, that should give them a pretty good capability to diminish and significantly degrade a lot of the Russian artillery,” Davis told Task & Purpose. “And if they can find the [Russian] logistics spots – if they can find the places where they’ve got their supply trains, where they’ve got the fuel trucks, where they’ve got their own intel command and control organizations – if they can find those places and can take them out, then they’re going to get a real significant advantage because, apparently, the Russians are really struggling with command and control as it is.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine; war
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To: captain_jonas

So you’re saying the Russian have been getting bogged down by Ukrainian women and children? Try using your brain first before posting so you don’t beclown yourself.


21 posted on 05/05/2022 4:23:58 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: Grey182
Without air superiority, how do these artillery units not get pasted before they are moved into range?

Russkies never managed to obtain air superiority.

22 posted on 05/05/2022 4:24:09 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tlozo
Ukrainian villagers report Russian movement real time, through messaging apps

Do you just make things up out of whole cloth?

23 posted on 05/05/2022 4:28:21 AM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: JonPreston

Wow, this guy’s battlefield experience clearly resides in the cafeteria. Multiple deployments a day.


24 posted on 05/05/2022 4:28:22 AM PDT by KobraKai
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To: KobraKai

His resemblance to Muqtadal-Sadr is remarkable.


25 posted on 05/05/2022 4:31:22 AM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: BiglyCommentary

They haven’t been “bogged down” and the one’s fighting on the Ukraine side have mostly been groups like Azov


26 posted on 05/05/2022 4:34:42 AM PDT by captain_jonas
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To: JonPreston
His resemblance to Muqtadal-Sadr is remarkable.

Not so much anymore... Mookie has aged a bit over the years.


27 posted on 05/05/2022 4:40:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Кчерту Путина, Kчерту Россию)
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To: ScottinVA

The thing is we actually don’t know when his file photo was taken.


28 posted on 05/05/2022 4:41:17 AM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: captain_jonas

You are the least informed of probably anyone who posts on these types of threads.


29 posted on 05/05/2022 4:58:34 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: BiglyCommentary
Western weapons just keep pouring in. Russia stands no chance of winning long term. It’s a of beauty watching the Ukrainian honey badgers maul the Russian scum.

Where is the Russian air force to bomb these spiffy new US howitzers as they are towed to the Eastern Ukraine region? And to bomb them when they get into position? We shall see. Perhaps the Rooskie air force is a mirage due to parts theft, money siphoning by generals---- and PISS POOR maintenance. Let's hope so!

I have seen the honey badger videos.... going to YouTube to see some again

30 posted on 05/05/2022 5:04:47 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: BiglyCommentary

The Crazy Nastyass Honey Badger (original narration by Randall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Hhahhhaha. The narrator puts on a very gay voice, which makes it better.


31 posted on 05/05/2022 5:06:49 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: BiglyCommentary
The Russian troops know they are getting thrown into death trap kill zones. Their advances have stalled out because Russian troops are refusing to be cannon fodder.

That's a switch. I thought Russians liked being cannon fodder!

32 posted on 05/05/2022 5:09:40 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: tlozo
Ukrainian villagers report Russian movement real time, through messaging apps.

Typical Nazis, can't play fair.

33 posted on 05/05/2022 5:11:37 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: tlozo

-——There’s no defense against it-——

Ukraine has shown effectively that drones can effectively destroy tanks and armor and.......artillery

The effective deployment of cheap but lethal drones is the furure


34 posted on 05/05/2022 5:17:23 AM PDT by bert ( (KW?E. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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To: dennisw

Maritime Insurance, Russia, and the Ukraine War
by Peter Zeihan on May 5, 2022

Europe is moving rapidly toward enacting an embargo against Russian crude oil. One of the main enforcement mechanisms will likely be denying maritime insurance coverage to ships carrying Russian crude to European ports.

We’ve already seen many ship captains and crews avoiding loading at Russia’s Black Sea oil terminals out of a fear for their own physical safety—the Iran/Iraq war provides a good historical analogue for the risks to tanker ships in an active war zone. But Russia’s Baltic and Pacific ports aren’t seeing a lot of activity either, as many global buyers are looking to stay on the right side of a quickly evolving sanctions regime.

Which brings us back to the world of maritime insurance. Some 95% of global insurance and reinsurance markets are dominated by European players. Would-be buyers of Russian crude who could leverage sovereign indemnification of Russian cargoes—China and Turkey, potentially India—must now weigh the worth of crude discounts against falling afoul of the Europeans and access to their markets.


35 posted on 05/05/2022 5:17:45 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: BiglyCommentary

With all your propaganda one might think the Ukraine has already won the war months ago. Why is it still going on?


36 posted on 05/05/2022 5:20:17 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: dennisw

Bankers and the IRS have known for ever that the way to dominate a recalcitrant customer is to squeeze him to submission.

It would seem that Russia is now being squeezed


37 posted on 05/05/2022 5:22:23 AM PDT by bert ( (KW?E. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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To: NorseViking

It only takes 1 gun and one accurate round to change everything.

L


38 posted on 05/05/2022 5:26:40 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: tlozo

The real game changer would be if smart artillery rounds were issued. Good for 20 miles with on board GPS / IR Made for the M777.


39 posted on 05/05/2022 5:30:52 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21
The real game changer would be if smart artillery rounds were issued. Good for 20 miles with on board GPS / IR Made for the M777.

'Canada is Sending Ukraine Excalibur Precision-Guided, Extended-Range Artillery Shells'

https://sofrep.com/news/canada-is-sending-ukraine-excalibur-precision-guided-extended-range-artillery-shells/

40 posted on 05/05/2022 5:35:42 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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