Why are you repeating nonsense?
"sizeable"? you call a few hundred as "sizeable"?
Or you think that Zelenskyy, a Jew, with a Jewish prime minister is running a Nazi government??
And these Jews fighting for Ukraine against Putin are NAzis?
Posted on 03/30/2022 8:11:10 PM PDT by FarCenter
Germany is willing to become a “guarantor state” for a potential peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia, a government spokesman said on Wednesday.
Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy discussed the issue in their recent phone calls, government spokesman Steffen Hebestreit told a news conference in Berlin.
“Germany, like several other countries, is of course ready to act as a security guarantor for Ukraine,” he stressed, but added that the matter could be subject to further deliberations as many details were still not clear.
During peace negotiations in Istanbul on Tuesday, Ukrainian officials signaled readiness to negotiate a “neutral status,” but demanded security guarantees for their country.
Ukrainian negotiator David Arakhamia told reporters that they are seeking an international agreement, where countries including Turkiye, Germany, Canada, Italy, Poland and Israel serve as the guarantor states.
(Excerpt) Read more at yenisafak.com ...
Your comment was about Germany needing oil, not Russian incentives to invade.
***My comment was:
losing, not luzing. Tips for non-native English speakers. English speech is rather divergent phonetically from the written form. Not as bad as French, but still a problem.
Generally, my analysis works even if Russia hasn’t lost a single man. A country defending its territory against external aggression should have no internal political problems mobilizing its reserves for service on its own territory. That’s what they are there for. A country engaging in external aggression can have much worse problems in this. Historically, for instance, France, Britain and the US had serious difficulties finding manpower for this purpose.
Ex - France from the early 19th century had laws prohibiting its conscripts from service abroad. Thats why they organized the Foreign Legion, regular troops (La Coloniale), and native troops (Algerians, Tunisians, Senegalese, etc.), specifically for colonial service.
So if Russia want to be able to invade Ukraine again, it will have to maintain a much larger “contract” force than it does now. That, or modify its conscription laws and process to make a reservist force it can actually use for offensive action.
Germany, like everyone else, needs oil. But it does not need specifically Russian oil. It could use North Sea oil, Norwegian oil, Nigerian oil, Arabian oil, etc. etc. As I said, oil is a globally traded commodity. Effectively, as a market, oil production goes into a global pool.
If country A cannot buy from country B, it can buy from country C. And country B can make up for lost sales by selling to country D. Capiche?
losing, not luzing.
***I’ve been writing it that way out of so much frustration at seeing so many people spell it “loosing”. To hell with it. Luzing works better than losing because Americans are luzers at spelling.
Tips for non-native English speakers. English speech is rather divergent phonetically from the written form. Not as bad as French, but still a problem.
***Feel free to sell those tips to all those people who love posting “they’re” Luzing approaches to things. Its two bad english doezn’t have it’s shiite together.
Generally, my analysis works even if Russia hasn’t lost a single man. A country defending its
***OMG, you spelled it correctly!
territory against external aggression should have no internal political problems mobilizing its reserves for service on its own territory.
***I find your analysis to be rather adlepated.
That’s what they are there for. A country engaging in external aggression can have much worse problems in this.
***I don’t think your analysis would pull Ukraine out of its existential war.
Historically, for instance, France, Britain and the US had serious difficulties finding manpower for this purpose.
***This leads us nowhere towards a solution to this war.
Ex - France from the early 19th century had laws prohibiting its conscripts from service abroad. Thats
***Uh oh, a misspelling.
why they organized the Foreign Legion, regular troops (La Coloniale), and native troops (Algerians, Tunisians, Senegalese, etc.), specifically for colonial service.
***Your analysis is kinda going nowhere.
So if Russia want
***I think it would be: wants...
to be able to invade Ukraine again, it will have to maintain a much larger “contract” force than it does now.
***Again, I don’t think your analysis solves anything for Ukraine.
That, or modify its conscription laws and process to make a reservist force it can actually use for offensive action.
***Your whole post is basically irrelevant.
Germany, like everyone else, needs oil. But it does not need specifically Russian oil. It could use North Sea oil, Norwegian oil, Nigerian oil, Arabian oil, etc. etc. As I said, oil is a globally traded commodity. Effectively, as a market, oil production goes into a global pool.
***You’re not quite getting it. If you buy oil from Norway, the money goes to Norway. If you buy it from Arabia, it goes to Arabia, etc. If Sweden were to invade Norway and take her oil lands, then you’d be sending money to Sweden rather than Norway; conversely if Iran invaded Arabia, etc. In this current case of violence, Russia invaded Ukraine and is taking all her oil, so they’re taking her natural resources such that the money goes to Russia rather than Ukraine.
If country A cannot buy from country B, it can buy from country C. And country B can make up for lost sales by selling to country D. Capiche?
***If country B invades country C then you’re buying from country B rather than country C, capiche? When country B makes up all kinds of excuses for why it needs to invade country C like there’s nazis there or it used to be country B land or they’re cozying up to countries they don’t like, then that war is about OIL.
We are talking at cross purposes. My comment was about your statement “while reliant upon Russian oil.”, speaking about Germany.
I was pointing out that nobody is reliant on any particular source of oil. So Germany is not reliant on Russian oil.
What Russia does with the oil it may or may not end up stealing from Ukraine has nothing to do with the above.
from the link I gave you:
The Russians weren’t even interested in western Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.
In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.
But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.
This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc
If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, do ya think Pootypoot would allow that? Nope.
We are talking at cross purposes. My comment was about your statement “while reliant upon Russian oil.”, speaking about Germany.
***Yes. Germany as well as the rest of Europe are reliant upon Russian oil. The Russians invaded Ukraine so that they could knock out a competitor to that supplier pipeline and gain the revenues for themselves.
I was pointing out that nobody is reliant on any particular source of oil. So Germany is not reliant on Russian oil.
***You did a poor job of it. Not only that, but this war is about Russia invading Ukraine over oil, this thread is about Germany intervening in that war while being reliant on oil, the whole thing is about oil.
What Russia does with the oil it may or may not end up stealing from Ukraine has nothing to do with the above.
***You haven’t the slightest idea. Russia is stealing the resources of another nation, and Germany is offering to be the “guarantor” of that other nation, all the while trying to keep their pipeline to Russia still open. This whole war is about OIL. If Oil/gas had not been discovered in Ukraine, Russia wouldn’t even be interested in that region.
“Germany as well as the rest of Europe are reliant upon Russian oil.”
Well, there we are, the point at issue. Nobody is “reliant” on Russian oil. Oil is a fungible commodity (with a very few exceptions, such as poor quality Venezuelan oil that can’t be refined everywhere) and is moreover globally traded. This is a very important point. Russian oil is eminently substitutable by oil from elsewhere. And Russia can sell its oil in lots of places. Same-same, the balance is maintained.
“Putin was actually warts and all somewhat on board in the war on terror”
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Russia has never been shy when it comes to handling Islamic terrorists, going back to it’s USSR days.
“to keep their pipeline to Russia still open.”
That is a GAS pipeline that is the problem. Oil/Gas treated as one thing simply isn’t reasonable. Oil and Natural Gas are fundamentally different things in terms of market and usage and substitutability. They have very little to do with each other (other than being from the same or similar geographical areas).
Nat Gas is mainly used in gas-fired electric power generation plants. Oil is mainly used as a vehicle fuel base, plus some chemical feedstocks. Nat Gas requires, best case, a pipeline from producer to user. Its hard and expensive to move by sea. Oil can be shipped in lots of ways, and ocean shipping is cheap, and typical.
Nat Gas can be substituted in ways that oil can’t be, and vice versa. Nat Gas can be substituted by other methods of electricity generation, like coal or nuke, and Germany can do this with, partially, no lead time, or, partially, with medium lead times (6 mo. to a year). It is very hard (and has long lead times, 2 years or more) to substitute with Gas imports from elsewhere.
Oil is very easily substituted with oil from elsewhere.
Military perhaps Germany can’t - right now (thankfully), but economically if they want, they can be very very effective.
Note that the idea is that they would be ONE of the guarantors.
“Europe” can manage -
1. the UK is nearly independent of Russian energy
2. France gets 70% of its energy from nuclear power and the rest elsewhere, so nearly independent
3. Poland by the end of 2022 will not import any Russian energy (no Russia coal, petrol or gas).
4. southern Europe is not dependent on Russian energy
5. Scandinavia is not dependent
Only Germany is dependent now
Why are you repeating nonsense?
"sizeable"? you call a few hundred as "sizeable"?
Or you think that Zelenskyy, a Jew, with a Jewish prime minister is running a Nazi government??
And these Jews fighting for Ukraine against Putin are NAzis?
good, then they can rebuild it.
They retain a lot of the oil. But they also retain a lot of agrarian space
AND, you know what's Ukraine's greatest export? Skilled workers. We have tons of really good Ukrainian IT guys working in Poland. They can really build up the country.
Here’s the thing. If a country invades you for your oil, is that different than a country invading you for your gas? And if they invade you for BOTH, WTF difference does it make?
It’s like someone is pointing a gun at you and you’re talking about how that doesn’t change the street price of ghost guns. That street price aint your worry, it DOES NOT MATTER.
You admitted the issue. The issue is that it is now Russian oil, not Ukrainian oil. They STOLE that oil.
What does it take to get you to focus on this issue, anyways? Russia invaded so that the money for that oil goes to THEM, not to Ukraine.
If I invade your house, point a gun at you and take all your shiite, do you care at that time that someone else down the line is gonna pay less for your shiite than you did? NO. You care about your EXISTENCE. Your ability to BUY more shiite. So Germany steps in and puts up a barrier stopping your bully neighbor from shooting you, do you care that someone down the road might buy shiite from Walmart instead of Target? NO! So focus on the issue here. The issue isn’t whether your neighbor shops at Walmart or Target, the issue is that some @$$#0/e has a gun pointed at your face and wants to rape your wife and take more of your shiite. Gigantic, yuge duhh factor.
No, if a country invades you it doesn’t matter if they are doing it on account of your sunflower crop.
But how it affects THIRD PARTIES can vary a lot depending on what the commodities and associated infrastructure is.
So the Russians are aiming at keeping all those fields east of keeyyyieev, east of dniiiipro, and Crimea. The bulk of the oil & gas discovered in 2012.
This war is about oil&gas. It’s not about bullshiite nazis, nor bullshiite 200-mile-closer NATO, nor bullshiite moralisms, nor bullshiite Russian speaking inhabitants, it’s about taking their oil.
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