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To: buwaya

We are talking at cross purposes. My comment was about your statement “while reliant upon Russian oil.”, speaking about Germany.
***Yes. Germany as well as the rest of Europe are reliant upon Russian oil. The Russians invaded Ukraine so that they could knock out a competitor to that supplier pipeline and gain the revenues for themselves.

I was pointing out that nobody is reliant on any particular source of oil. So Germany is not reliant on Russian oil.
***You did a poor job of it. Not only that, but this war is about Russia invading Ukraine over oil, this thread is about Germany intervening in that war while being reliant on oil, the whole thing is about oil.

What Russia does with the oil it may or may not end up stealing from Ukraine has nothing to do with the above.
***You haven’t the slightest idea. Russia is stealing the resources of another nation, and Germany is offering to be the “guarantor” of that other nation, all the while trying to keep their pipeline to Russia still open. This whole war is about OIL. If Oil/gas had not been discovered in Ukraine, Russia wouldn’t even be interested in that region.


48 posted on 03/31/2022 1:13:36 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

“Germany as well as the rest of Europe are reliant upon Russian oil.”

Well, there we are, the point at issue. Nobody is “reliant” on Russian oil. Oil is a fungible commodity (with a very few exceptions, such as poor quality Venezuelan oil that can’t be refined everywhere) and is moreover globally traded. This is a very important point. Russian oil is eminently substitutable by oil from elsewhere. And Russia can sell its oil in lots of places. Same-same, the balance is maintained.


49 posted on 03/31/2022 1:46:18 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Kevmo

“to keep their pipeline to Russia still open.”

That is a GAS pipeline that is the problem. Oil/Gas treated as one thing simply isn’t reasonable. Oil and Natural Gas are fundamentally different things in terms of market and usage and substitutability. They have very little to do with each other (other than being from the same or similar geographical areas).

Nat Gas is mainly used in gas-fired electric power generation plants. Oil is mainly used as a vehicle fuel base, plus some chemical feedstocks. Nat Gas requires, best case, a pipeline from producer to user. Its hard and expensive to move by sea. Oil can be shipped in lots of ways, and ocean shipping is cheap, and typical.

Nat Gas can be substituted in ways that oil can’t be, and vice versa. Nat Gas can be substituted by other methods of electricity generation, like coal or nuke, and Germany can do this with, partially, no lead time, or, partially, with medium lead times (6 mo. to a year). It is very hard (and has long lead times, 2 years or more) to substitute with Gas imports from elsewhere.

Oil is very easily substituted with oil from elsewhere.


51 posted on 03/31/2022 1:57:31 AM PDT by buwaya
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