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SCOTUS Oral Argument Audio (Vaccine Mandates) LIVE THREAD [2nd case starts at reply 279]
SCOTUS ^ | 01/07/2022 | SCOTUS

Posted on 01/07/2022 6:16:44 AM PST by TexasGurl24

Two cases will be argued today beginning at 10.

National Federation of Independent Business v. Department of Labor (OSHA Mandate)

and Biden v. Missouri (Healthcare mandate)

Audio here:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/live.aspx


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cms; covid; healthcare; ivermectin; mandates; osha; scotus; vaccine; wuhanflu
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To: infool7

And pharma is owned by the globalist/bankers, who also otherwise own our guv.


81 posted on 01/07/2022 7:42:25 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
-- I presume even a favorable result on this case wouldn't affect the guv-level tyranny, with their "emergency powers"? --

Correct. The feds have many vectors for imposing regulations. The courts are generally in favor of allowing the government more power, and not the courts job to manage how the government allocates or structures the agencies that impose the heavy hand.

82 posted on 01/07/2022 7:42:41 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: TexasGurl24

Agree. Kavanaugh and Barrett are toss ups. I’m afraid they’ll throw in with Roberts.....again.


83 posted on 01/07/2022 7:42:48 AM PST by CAluvdubya (<---has now left CA for NV, where God/guns have not been outlawed! She's done and he's won!)
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To: TexasGurl24

Notice the difference in the questioning from Kagan, Breyer, Sotomayor and Roberts and the other 5

The other 5 are asking legal questions.

Kagan, Breyer, Sotomayor and Roberts are asking shrill and emotionally based outcome questions. All four seem to be terrified of COVID and all four seem to not care about the law at all.


84 posted on 01/07/2022 7:42:51 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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To: HypatiaTaught

Who are the attorneys not making the obvious arguments?

One presumes this is set-up theater, like most public governmental rituals at this point.


85 posted on 01/07/2022 7:43:31 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: All

Kagan is really, really angry and over the top. I’m really thinking that betrays something here.

I think she knows the vote.


86 posted on 01/07/2022 7:43:35 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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I’ve never heard Kagan behave like this in an oral argument. It’s actually very unprofessional.


87 posted on 01/07/2022 7:44:12 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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To: Cboldt

Bill of Rights be damned!


88 posted on 01/07/2022 7:44:22 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: TexasGurl24
AT BEST this will be 5-4 for us.

Ugh....too close for comfort.

Question - is this to determine whether or not a stay of the mandate is in order so that it can be argued further, or is this for the whole ball of wax?

89 posted on 01/07/2022 7:44:37 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Back after a long hiatus. Now mygrandkidsgrandma)
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To: TexasGurl24

Kagan also interrupts a lot. She’s rude and won’t let the attorney finish his point.


90 posted on 01/07/2022 7:45:02 AM PST by CAluvdubya (<---has now left CA for NV, where God/guns have not been outlawed! She's done and he's won!)
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To: TexasGurl24

How come Mr Roberts thinks it is wrong for a govt agency to add a simple citizenship question to a census form but yet can issue sweeping vaccine mandates.


91 posted on 01/07/2022 7:45:49 AM PST by GregH
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To: CAluvdubya

Karen Kagan


92 posted on 01/07/2022 7:46:17 AM PST by rainee (Trump won! )
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To: HypatiaTaught

Has anyone asked the judges “Why is it right to mandate a drug that the manufacturer has not safety tested by the usual procedure and has had themselves released from any liability for death and damage from said “drug”.

So far, there is no proof whatsoever that these fake vaxes work at all. But there is plenty of proof people are dying and injured from them.


93 posted on 01/07/2022 7:46:30 AM PST by dforest (Freaking insane world. )
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To: rainee
Karen Kagan

Bwahahahaha!

94 posted on 01/07/2022 7:46:58 AM PST by CAluvdubya (<---has now left CA for NV, where God/guns have not been outlawed! She's done and he's won!)
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To: CAluvdubya

She’s doing a good imitation of Roland Friesler.


95 posted on 01/07/2022 7:47:01 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The experts are liars. The conspiracy theorists are the people who have figured out the Truth.)
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Response to Kagan: That’s NOT what the OSHA rule says. It applies to even the guy working in his office by himself.


96 posted on 01/07/2022 7:47:03 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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To: TexasGurl24

Then we are screwed.


97 posted on 01/07/2022 7:47:39 AM PST by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: CAluvdubya

If you get it, C-SPAN is carrying


98 posted on 01/07/2022 7:47:40 AM PST by Cboldt
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Breyer also seems really angry. He’s usually more measured at oral arguments.


99 posted on 01/07/2022 7:48:09 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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To: TexasGurl24

Kagan stupid comment brushed aside, where else greater risk , reply “in families.”


100 posted on 01/07/2022 7:48:13 AM PST by sopo
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