Posted on 12/04/2021 7:33:37 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
The parents of a Michigan teen accused of killing four classmates with a gun his mom and dad bought for him have pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges.
Jennifer and James Crumbley each face four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the Tuesday rampage blamed on their 15-year-old son, Ethan. Each count is punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
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And among the information I want to know, and really everyone should be curious to learn, is...
1. Was a comprehensive drug screen done on the perp (Rx and street drugs)?
2. Is the perp now, or has he ever been prescribed SSRIs? and...
3. Is the perp deficient in vitamin D3?
And also apply questions 1. and 2. for the parents, and, in addition...
4. Does either or both parents have a criminal record?
“So if the parents bought the kid a car and the kid killed people in a parade you would support manslaughter charges for the parents ?”
If the kid wasn’t legal driving age, yes absolutely they should be charged. Your analogy has missed the mark William Tell :)
This’ll be the first such charge against parents of kid killers.
I guess that’s what you get for being a Trump supporter.
Sorry that is the law in Michigan. I did not write it.
Some teenagers run on their hormones.
“It would not be hard to argue the parents “created a situation where the risk of great bodily harm or death was very high”.”
Except for the fact that the shooting occured right after that meeting. If it was so urgent, the school should have expelled him immediately and then the parents would have to take him home.
“strawman purchase”
How do you know they weren’t just intending to have him use it under their supervision?
That’s what parents intend when the “buy their kid a gun”. It’s not so they can trollop through the hood with “protection”.
Straw purchase doesn’t apply.
From the manslaughter statute: “created a situation where the risk of great bodily harm or death was very high, knowing that as a result of the defendant's actions he or she knew that serious harm or death would likely result.”
What is it you claim the parents “KNEW”? Did they know who would be killed? Did they know how many would be shot? Did they know why some people would be shot? What did the parents know that the school did not know?
“a lot of money defending “
That’s one of the real problems here. If there’s a conviction in this case, ALL parents of killers will be on trial.
No, I was trying to point out the hypocrisy and bias of press coverage. Didn’t come out the way I meant it.
“Straw Man”, “legal at 21”, “Illegal” ... Words straight out of the media and leftists handbook!
True patriots know that every so called “gun law” is an infringement on the 2nd!
Every “gun law” is unconstitutional!
Let me ask you .. when a tyrannical government can create unconstitutional laws, control what The People are “allowed” to own, defend themselves with and at what age, what happens when they create law that compels you to hand over your weapons?
You gonna comply?
Good luck!
There no doubt about it! The press are the criminals. I don’t know how they e escaped being tried for inciting violence under the guise of a free press protected under the 1st Amendment
“among the information I want to know”
I’ve only seen two “indications” reported. On one day, a teacher “caught” him looking at ammo on his phone. This was reported to parents.
The next day was the drawing and meeting with parents. Shooting occurs soon after that meeting, so kid already had gun with him at that point.
Personnally, I think the drawing was enough to have the kid checked out by a shrink, but I don’t think many, if actually thrust into that situation would have the immediate knee-jerk panic attach to have the kid expelled and committed to an institution. Now even red-flag laws are that fast.
Per records, both had DUIs about 10 years ago and mother had bad check writing in same time period.
True, the school should have expelled him, or at least searched his backpack, even though the school did not know he had just been given a handgun like the one in his disturbed drawing.
That still does not excuse the parents who knew he had been gifted that handgun days ago, and had just been shown proof of how disturbed he was.
“shown proof”
They were shown a picture. Proof would be having the kid evaluated by a kid to see if he has a problem or was just being a stupid kid.
There have been cases of kids being suspended for using their index fingers and thumbs to point and “shoot” at other kids. I’m not one that agrees with those kinds of “no tolerance” policies.
At the time, the only reasonable conclusion would be to have the kid evaluated.
Kindergartners have been suspended for aiming a finger gun at classmates. I think the parents are horribly irresponsible and I suspect were more interested in reputation than their son.
Ugh, evalutated by a shrink that is.
I agree. Actually, I think the charges should have been more severe.
The kid is disturbed. And his parents knew about it, tolerated his increasingly bizarre behavior and his threats, and even enabled him by buying him a gun as his “xmas present,” as his mother put it. It was also an older gun, bought by his father from a “private source,” so I’d say they wanted to avoid inconvenient questions.
And his parents refused to take the kid home after the meeting about his disturbing drawings and, even though they knew he’d been talking about killing people and had just drawn the gun they had given him, never even looked in his back pack...and his mother had told him the day before, when a teacher found him searching for ammunition, “just don’t get caught.”
I think they should be up on murder charges along with the kid, because he couldn’t have done this without their help.
BTW, she’s the kid’s stepmother. There’s an older brother who decided to go live with his mother (the dad’s ex-wife). She’s a little too tightly wrapped, and Dad is probably a wuss who does whatever she tells him.
They'll try to sneak out of them by saying "we passed out a leaflet saying everybody stay safe. The rest was the victims' fault, not ours."
They are always in CYA mode in school administrations.
Yes, this will have a negative effect on millions of innocent parents.
That’s what happens when total losers like his parents made remarks like the mother’s “learn how to not get caught.” And disagreeing with counselor’s advice at school.
Causing death and maiming to school children in a high school and lots of trouble for law abiding responsible gun owners who had nothing to do with this matter.
I concur. I think the involuntary manslaughter charges are an overreach, especially for the Mom. The Dad is at best guilty of a straw purchase charge with maybe a secondary charge of criminal negligence. There are no gun storage laws in Michigan, so I don’t know what they really have on the Mom other than being a moron.
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