Posted on 12/04/2021 7:33:37 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
The parents of a Michigan teen accused of killing four classmates with a gun his mom and dad bought for him have pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges.
Jennifer and James Crumbley each face four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the Tuesday rampage blamed on their 15-year-old son, Ethan. Each count is punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
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I hope there’s an audiotape of the session the principal held earlier that day with the young man and his parents because the kid was acting out in school.
So the parents have been found?????
When will the charges for the school authorities be coming?
There is talk that the kid was ‘bullied’ but I have not read of any specific things that were done to him. Nowadays ‘bullying’ is an unkind word or an arched eyebrow as opposed to beating a kid up for his lunch money. Bullying is rarely done in front of a school’s staff and it nearly always ends up being the bully’s word against the victim’s.
Buying the gun IS one of the problem because he transferred/gifted it to the kid. Not securing is the other problem.
Well that’s what the anti-gun people want. That parents can and might be charged...and it will ‘cost them $ to defend themselves’....which is the point.
Personally these parents just might need a hard lesson as I see it. They don’t appear to make very good decisions regarding their son. And one older son moved out because of conflicts with the stepmother.
Also sets of parents no longer have their sons and daughters...and there’s nothing that will bring them back.It’s going to be grueling painful for them if they watch the developments along the way.
And lets face it...all kids view their parents differently....I know one kid who grew and raised three kids and was a great father and husband. His own was not but he said he knew how to be a good father by doing everything the opposite of what his father did.
Yes, picked them up in Detroit last night.
And it should be dang hard.
All you have is the word of a SJW prosecutor and the lying media that the father purchased a handgun for his son.
A strawman purchase implies resale. It also implies permanent transfer out of the home to another.
If my wife uses my handgun, I still own it, she just uses it. It’s the same for a person living in the home.
Neither you nor I know anything beyond what the media reports, and we all know they never misreport salacious rumors.
Remember this. The kid has invoked his right to remain silent, the parents just got arrested so they haven’t been questioned much, the prosecutor is shooting for a better job and wants the fame this case will bring. The best you have is an instagram photo of a gun.
That’s not proof of anything.
We’re a conservative site. We need to use facts and facts take time.
They knew what was going on - or they are incompetent.
Remember a few years ago with “no tolerance” rules at school when a valedictorian got expelled right at the end of the school year ruining his chances when a butter knife was found in his trunk. Never mind a SAT test required sharpened #2 pencil is deadlier.
I had a pencil lead imbedded in my hand for mumble-mumble decades from an elementary school art class incident. Thankfully, progressive schools have banned art classes... /s.
So the parents have been found?????
They went from fugitives to arraigned awfully quickly.
Why didn’t the school counselor check the kid’s backpack before sending him back to class? The whole thing could have been stopped.
I’m with you, but all that’s known to me about this straw purchase is that Ethan accompanied the father to buy the gun (not illegal), Ethan bragged about it on social media (means nothing, the kid is deranged), and Mom mentioned it during a social media post.
I completely agree with the probable cause for the arrest, but there’s enough doubt that I doubt they will be convicted.
Thanks...I just now read that...
Bail was set at 500,000 each.
Re #3:
Father bought the handgun for the kid on Black Friday. On Saturday, mother posted a picture of the handgun to social media captioned “Mom & son day testing out his new Xmas present”.
On Tuesday, parents are called to the school to attend a meeting about the kid’s mental problems after a teacher discovered a paper with disturbing drawings and writings on his desk:
A drawing of a semi-automatic handgun pointing at the words, “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.
A drawing of a bullet with “blood everywhere” written above the bullet.
A drawing of a person who appeared to have been shot twice and bleeding.
A drawing of a laughing emoji.
Writing that said, “My life is useless.”
Writing that said, “The world is dead.”
In the meeting, the parents were told they had 48 hours to get the kid in counselling and urged to take the kid home with them. The parents declined to take the kid home.
After finding out about his disturbing drawings and writings, and knowing he had access to a handgun he considered his own, did they take the kid home and check his backpack? No, they left him at school.
When the father heard about the shooting, fearing his son was the killer, he rushed home to find the gun missing. Too late.
It would not be hard to argue the parents “created a situation where the risk of great bodily harm or death was very high”.
They bought him the handgun and made it freely available to him. They were shown strong evidence he was ruminating about using the gun to kill others and was unable to stop the thoughts — and even wrote “ help me” — and did not make sure he did not have that gun in his possession when they left him at the school. (It also shocks me that parents would leave a child in such a state who had drawn and written such things including “help me” after being urged to take him home, even if convinced in their minds their little darling would never do anything bad.)
It is unknown whether the school principle, counselor, etc. asked the parents whether he had access to gun, and if they did, what the parents answered. It seems unbelievable to me that his backpack was not searched at the school after his drawings and writings were discovered.
“””3. created a situation where the risk of great bodily harm or death was very high, knowing that as a result of the defendant’s actions he or she knew that serious harm or death would likely result.
Looks like the charge is about #3 which maybe difficult to prove.”””
According to the DA’s indictment against the parents:
1. Father bought the gun on Nov 26.
2. Mother texted that gun was a Christmas gift for son.
3. Parents resisted having son removed from school when confronted with son’s drawings.
4. Parents apparently did not tell school that they had bought a gun for the son.
I agree the kid’s postings mean nothing. Kids brag their parents return belongs to them all the time.
The trouble is, the mother posted a photo of the handgun to social media captioned “Mom & son day testing out his new Xmas present”.
Ugh. “their parents’ stuff” not “return”
So if the parents bought the kid a car and the kid killed people in a parade you would support manslaughter charges for the parents ?
I think most people on this thread are ignoring just how nuts the average teenager is. Imagine the embarrassment of my good friend and professional colleague when he got a call from a police department almost 100 miles away when his fourteen year old daughter was picked up in the middle of the night.
Now that daughter cares for him in his old age.
I had my own teenagers and the stories are quite similar.
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