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‘Just turned into this orgy’: First accuser testifies at Ghislaine Maxwell trial
New York Post ^ | November 30, 2021 | Ben Feuerherd and Tamar Lapin

Posted on 11/30/2021 7:56:45 PM PST by karpov

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To: TexasFreeper2009

WHY did she keep “going to his house” ????


41 posted on 12/01/2021 5:26:39 AM PST by ridesthemiles ( )
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To: volunbeer

Whoops. Brand new ADDITIONAL flight logs have been revealed “accidentally” by the FAA. Perhaps there is someone who wants those names named.

Flight logs are hard to ignore, or fake.


42 posted on 12/01/2021 5:31:14 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: ridesthemiles

I am guessing with her child mind she rationalized it somehow.


43 posted on 12/01/2021 5:32:58 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Secret Agent Man

She was fourteen. Children don’t think like mature adults. They are easily manipulated. That’s why there are laws to protect them against sexual predators. We all know you’re a woman basher but give it a rest on the teenagers.


44 posted on 12/01/2021 5:56:44 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: DoughtyOne

Ask Carlos Santana. Parents simply don’t or won’t believe it is happening. A lot of kids parents end up depending on the money or favors. The kid is told “ don’t go along your parents family etc is out on the street etc. The kid is willing to sacrifice themselves.


45 posted on 12/01/2021 6:03:19 AM PST by carcraft (Pray for our County)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Seems to be so many perverts these days.


46 posted on 12/01/2021 7:27:45 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Add to that the recent death of her father and financial ruin of the family. Epstein was “helping the family out.”

I’d be not at all surprised if she felt some sort of “family obligation” to continue visiting him. Very sad, really.


47 posted on 12/01/2021 7:30:53 AM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: Beowulf9

Something has to fill the vacuum left behind after you remove God from society. The less Christian we have become, the more immoral. Not that a Jew or Muslim or Buddhist can’t be moral. I am just stating a fact. Less Christianity = more immorality.


48 posted on 12/01/2021 7:43:30 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: caww

Virginia Guiffre, the first accuser, said Maxwell saw her in NYC, found out she wanted to get into modeling, introduced her to some connected people in the modeling trade, paid for classes, etc. before grooming her as a sex slave. Virginia was so impressed she recruited her younger sister to join her, which is the thing she regrets the most.

The operation had these girls believing they had found the inside to fantastic careers. It’s no wonder they totally bought in until it was too late.


49 posted on 12/01/2021 8:08:54 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Chinese communism will look different once the masks come off.)
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To: karpov

PLEASE, don’t deny the kid’s culpability in this.

Excuses are like ... never mind, but everybody has them.

BUT, the ADULTS, have NO EXCUSE. They were/are predators.

Will “names be named”? Will SHE “name names”?

The rest is just window dressing.


50 posted on 12/01/2021 8:32:12 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: carcraft

I’m sure that could be part of it in some instances.

Maybe the girl was flattered by the attention, enjoyed the
socialization and party atmosphere, and got sucked in.

At this time the young woman seems to see it differently,
and I’m glad she is telling her story.

The people need to be confronted, and penalties administered.

Hopefully it will influence others to more reluctant to be
involved in this type of activity. Sadly, not that many
will most likely.


51 posted on 12/01/2021 10:16:52 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Democrats, fixing things that haven't been broken, so they don't work, for over 197 years.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

This isn’t about consent. It’s about SCAPEGOAT and absolving anyone else connected with the now-suidcided (yeah, sure) Epstein. It’s about hiding Slick Willie’s involvement (Maybe even Ubama and/or Mike), it’s about hiding that English Royalty’s involvement and Lord knows who else.


52 posted on 12/01/2021 10:21:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: nitzy

How about actual fact?


53 posted on 12/01/2021 10:22:03 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Secret Agent Man

No, we don’t fully agree. Morally she was manipulated, exploited, taken advantage of, abused. You can make a teenage girl do almost anything. Anything! That’s why we don’t consider them adults.


54 posted on 12/01/2021 10:25:44 AM PST by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: ridesthemiles

She kept going because she was groomed, seduced, manipulated, and probably felt obligated to them for many favors. Afraid to rock the boat, be uncool.

Surely you have known a few teenage girls in your life? I was one. We are ridiculously easy to manipulate. That’s why we need dad but sadly her dad was dead.

Had he been around none of this would have happened. They preyed in essentially orphans. Please note none of these girls were from strong intact families. Now why is that


55 posted on 12/01/2021 10:28:53 AM PST by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: Persevero

“you can make a teenage girl do almost anything”

please

You were 14, I was 14, you and I know exactly what a 14 year old girl is like, we were surrounded by them in school.

You sound like someone who has never been a parent of a teenage girl. Try to get them to do anything you want.


56 posted on 12/01/2021 10:41:37 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I have had several teenage daughters. Yes. They are easy to manipulate. Particularly romantically. And peer pressure wise.

As for you, you sound like someone who wants to justify predation on teenagers.


57 posted on 12/01/2021 2:27:03 PM PST by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: Persevero

I obviously don’t

I just don’t go prancing around believing teenage girls are Anne of Green Gables, like everyone else here does

Go back to your Hallmark channel


58 posted on 12/01/2021 2:43:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Up yours. I don’t prance. I don’t have cable. And I don’t excuse the rape and molestation of minors.


59 posted on 12/01/2021 2:47:57 PM PST by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: Persevero

no you’re just a liar and a slanderer.

show me where i excuse anything here.

its not an excuse to point out she kept going back on her own choices even though later she admits she didn’t like it. she obviously didn’t like it so much that she never went back, or told her parents or called the police.

that is completely separate from the fact epi and maxwell are adult pervs that did target and exploit minors.


60 posted on 12/01/2021 2:54:50 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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