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To: nickcarraway

I’ve received the vaccine, but I’m not sure it was the right
thing to do (by a mile), and no other person’s opinion would matter when I made my final decision.

I really think there is a considerable amount of information
out there to reveal the vaccine as a big joke on the world’s
populace.


8 posted on 10/18/2021 3:20:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Democrats, fixing things that haven't been broken, so they don't work, for over 197 years.)
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To: All

Everyone is allowed to hold one wrong opinion.


10 posted on 10/18/2021 3:23:39 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (a cloud has fallen over the lands of the free )
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To: DoughtyOne

The point is, Trump would be more persuasive than Biden, whose “I’m losing my patience” attitude is changing no minds.


14 posted on 10/18/2021 3:25:08 PM PDT by nbenyo
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To: DoughtyOne

I was late to the Trump train. I didn’t know anything about his politics, and figured that he was just another Manhattan liberal.

Well, I was wrong about that.

His administration demonstrated what could be accomplished by an outsider — tax cuts, reduction in the regulatory burden, foreign affairs, and then, faced with this CCP virus, he blew out the stops.

He kept doing what all of the talking heads said couldn’t be done — got the hospital ships to New York and Los Angeles (never needed, but he got it done), advocated for therapeutics which many have used to good effect, and cleared out the red tape and got the vaccines approved and distributed in a timeframe no one believed possible.

There were some missteps, but I believe him when he says he would have had a better approach than the current heavy-handed and autocratic mandates the current administration (and our own Governor) are using.

Frankly, he got the government to do everything that could reasonably be asked of it. There are proven therapeutics, the vaccines are there for anyone who wants one. And we would not be facing record-setting inflation and heading for a full-on recession either.


35 posted on 10/18/2021 3:33:19 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: DoughtyOne
There is an ocean of data and information that can argue for and not for taking the shots.

The shots have an in-sample efficacy rate of 90%+. If people in the high-risk strike zone took shots, that seems eminently reasonable.

I also consider the absence of the usual 2-10 year clinical trial period the FDA requires - what happens if your left ear falls off in year 2.7? - to be a yellow flag, as well as the messenger RNA platform that has never been released on the citizens. Those facts also can be brandished reasonably to not take the shots.

I don't doubt that some people regret taking the shots, just like I don't doubt some people regret NOT taking the shots. Health is a personal matter, and what's good for one person isn't good for someone else.

I object to the force being imposed when the data are so utterly cloudy.

43 posted on 10/18/2021 3:36:55 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoughtyOne

You and I both D-1. Wife and I, in our 70’s with co-morbidities both got the shots back in March. No side effects then or now. I am not at all certain about the efficacy of the vaccine. And yet I still vehemently oppose the mandatory orders. I hope everyone who got fired would join together and sue the crap out of their employers. I believe, with no real hard proof, the whole crisis has been manipulated to give the Commies in the US totalitarian control over the populace.


111 posted on 10/18/2021 4:24:00 PM PDT by ImpBill (America! Has anybody seen her lately?)
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To: DoughtyOne

I would hope you have a long time trusted PCP.

As for the rest:

Try taking a look at highly vacc’d UK’s data. High case numbers (just look at that area under the Delta portion of the curve!) but low severe / critical cases, fatalities and CFR, compared to the prior wave.

That’s all the vaccine mfgr’s ever really promised.

At the time of the initial EUA’s there were no guarantees from the mfgr’s on duration of immunity / efficacy beyond the tests done. And I fail to see why people expect better than 6 months or so on average. Flu vaccines are no better!

High case rate and low fatality rate: I thought that’s what most FReepers wanted! What a bunch of inconsistent boobs most have become...

That said, I also have little confidence acquired immunity to COVID will be any better than acquired immunity to flu. Why would I?

(Some of) the (bad) “jokes” are:

Mo’ Nature’s adaptation (Delta) regardless of the original source of COVID. (Lyric from Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult.)

CDC (etc.) incompetence in educating the populace.

Libs’ competence in using a crisis.

Echo chambers.

Vaccine mandates (which I oppose even though I plan to get a Moderna booster shot myself.)


196 posted on 10/18/2021 11:48:51 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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