Thousands Flood ATF With Comments Over Rule Change That Could Land Millions of Americans in Legal Trouble

townhall.com ^ | 6/17/2021 | Matt Vespa

[rktman]

Stephen Gutowski of The Reload has been covering the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives’ attempt to ban pistol braces. There’s no wiggle room. No grandfather clause. They’re trying to make them illegal, thus turning millions of Americans into felons for exercising their constitutional right to own firearms. Some 10-40 million Americans have firearms with these stabilizing pistol braces. It’s a backdoor ban. Biden doesn’t have the legislative majorities to pass what he wants to pass, so his people are looking at the existing regulations, tweaking them, and they found a big one here. This new ATF regulation is potentially the largest gun registration and confiscation scheme in American history.

[Candor7]

Go Fund Me Class ACTION?

[ConservativeInPA]

Quite simply, the ATF needs to be abolished. Everyone employed by the ATF needs to be banned from working in government at all levels.

[precisionshootist]

"I am but a simple man, but I have a question based on the following: 1) Let us accept the 2nd Amendment as absolute..NO INFRINGEMENT 2) Tenth Amendment The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. My question from the above is where does the Federal government get any authority to regulate the possession of firearms by the citizens. What specific(or general)authority exists to regulate or ban possession of firearms or firearm types? Perhaps you can stretch parts of the Preamble, “insure domestic Tranquility,.. promote the general Welfare” and say they give the authority, but I see that as a big stretch. Being something close to a 2A absolutist, I just do not see that authority. But again, I am just a common man. P.S. Would not this regulation on braces be akin to an “Ex Post Facto” law and therefore unconstitutional?"

You are spot on. The federal government has no authority whatsoever to regulate firearms of ANY type.

This is why I take the position it's up to the states to stop this. Nullify ALL federal gun laws both past and present in the state. Make any attempt at enforcement illegal and punishable by jail time. It only takes one state to do this and like Constitutional carry it will spread to other states. This has always been the answer and should have been done a long time ago. Even very pro second amendment people have come to believe the NFA and GCA are valid laws, they are not and never have been. Even the federal government knew the NFA was unconstitutional back in 1934 when it was created. That's why the NFA is structured around a tax and based on interstate commerce. The feds know these laws are expressly forbidden by our Constitution. It's time states take action and shut this nonsense down for good.

[rktman]

The gf go fund me raised more than defending the 2nd would. Yeah we are that crazy.

[MV=PY]

So it’s safer if the shooter is less accurate...?

[drypowder]

The gun owning American citizens are being pushed by this illegitimate DC regime to the precipice of a cliff. Falling off the cliff is certain death.

[redgolum]

I don’t

They are very popular. Not a fan myself, for the simple reason is that I have a loose stock laying around, or a lower, an Agent could say “YOU HAVE AN UNREGULATED SBR!”

[rktman]

Spray and pray I guess.

[Robert357]

I urge everyone to send AFT well thought and polite comments to let them know this silly set of proposed regulations is not going to sit well with the American public.

[RandallFlagg]

Without saying anything about the proposed ATF rule change, I find this sentence rather hard to believe.

I know loads of people who have several of them.
Not to mention that they're easily 3D printable.

[hanamizu]

“They are very popular.”

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But I doubt 10-40 million popular, that was my point. I admit I don’t get out that much, but I’ve never seen one, either for use or for sale.

[redgolum]

Interesting.

I seem them everywhere, and typically someone had them at the range.

Inaccurate as all get out, though a few guys seem to love them.

[Joe Boucher]

better to aim,
Aslo as you fire a weapon you tend to raise your arm higher and higher as you fire, If you fire quickly from the kick back.
It is why I think many machine guns are foolish.

[gundog]

Your point is well taken. In 5.56x45 it makes sense. In .300 blackout or 9 mm or some of the other calibers that the AR platform has been chambered in, things get a little fuzzier.

[gundog]

In 9 mm they make a lot of sense.

[gundog]

Chipman would probably consider that a threat.

[Who is John Galt?]

Yes, yes - it’s our right, but AR pistols are still stupid.

As Captain Obvious once noted: "Every gun owner has an opinion." To which I might add, some of them might even be based on knowledge and experience (and others not so much ;^)...

[larrytown]

A lot of sense for what - drive-by’s?

Overly complex, over-sized, heavy - and use extended pistol magazines. Better, more versatile option is to have the pistol with variety of magazines.

If the idea is to have a submachine gun, then get the submachine gun, not an AR platform wannabe.

[larrytown]

Opinions are like ***holes - everyone’s got one. AR15 pistols are still stupid for demonstrable reasons, especially in rifle calibers.

People are free to disagree and have their own opinions.

[gundog]

Some people do like them for truck guns. The ballistics of a 9mm from a 10.5 inch barrel are an improvement over pistols.