You give them far too much credit. You have mellowed over the years, while my heart has hardened. More power to you, FRiend.
Posted on 03/03/2021 12:33:03 PM PST by rxsid
Gen. Kelly was a large part of what went wrong about Trump’s first term.
Of course. </sarcasm>
The mere fact that it specifies "President of the Senate" is an implicit grant of powers.
To open the ballots sent from the states. It does not explicitly state that the President of the Senate shall count the votes, and federal law gives that task to others.
If there is no power to affect the result, then there is no purpose in specifying a certain official.
The can the Vice President just decide who is the president and who isn't? If he has the power to affect the results on one respect why not the other?
Clearly the fact that they required this of the President of the Senate demonstrates that they expected him to wield power over the process, even to the extent of declaring it fraudulent and invalid.
The rest of the world apparently is not blessed with your eyesight, such as it is.
You say they can do this without his consent, pray tell us how they could do this without his consent? What constitutional authority grants them the power to override his objections?
The vice president does not have the constitutional authority to reject vote so there are no objections to override.
Pence is a dog, but most of this crap might have been avoided if SCOTUS had done its job. People like Clarence Thomas and Mark Levin, not exactly whack jobs, believe it WAS SCOTUS’ job to hear the case submitted by Texas and several other (17?) other states. Hearing and acting on it would have sent a clear signal to everybody. Instead, chaos ensued — and it will continue.
He didn’t certify anything. He read and entered the CERTIFIED votes into the record. THAT was his duty.
This implies that they were aware of how serious the issue would become before it could be demonstrated to be of the level of seriousness necessary for them to take some sort of emergency action. I think in many states, they couldn't even get the vote count figured out for days if not weeks later.
I also think there was some deliberate foot dragging in various legislatures because there were too many "never Trumpers" in their ranks who did not want to take overt action against Trump, but were fine with getting him railroaded by the system.
But you want to blame VP Pence for bullsh!t that was out of HIS control?
Whether it was in or out of his control is precisely the point of contention in this discussion. I say it was very much within his control, and you say it wasn't, and now you are trying to get me to argue from the basis of your premise which I reject and disagree with.
Pence could have refused to cooperate and thereby triggered a constitutional crises, which in my opinion would have been a far more desirable outcome than what we have now.
"Mostly" is right, but in this case we are talking about a specific case in which it is not ceremonial, but which is instead deadly serious;
The acceptance of fraudulent elections as valid moves it out of "ceremonial" and puts it smack dab in the category of exercising necessary powers.
Exactly. Biden could have ruled every challenged electoral slate out of order in 2016 and elected Hillary.
You are wasting your time. I kicked in the teeth of every FReeptard anti-constitutionalist the last time this subject made the rounds and you learn quickly FReeptards would rather spit teeth than admit that they are ignorant of the Constitution and constitutional conservatism...
I don't have to "imply" anything. It's an established fact. In the case of Pennsylvania (which I've followed closely because I live here), the legislature filed its first legal challenge to the modified election procedures weeks BEFORE Election Day.
They clearly knew it was going to be a fiasco. The absence of any formal action on their part is a clear admission that they were perfectly OK with it.
Some start strong and finish weak. Pence qualifies. Sad but true. Truth, decency and honor were dumped for political gain.
Looks like I didn't catch it in this instance. This is not my normal machine, but belongs to a friend of mine, and I was just using it because it was convenient at the time.
I learned years ago that a lot of well-intentioned Freepers look at presidential elections and constitutional law with the same degree of seriousness that they bring to a WWE wrestling match. They don’t really mind if the thing is rigged, but they go bat sh!t crazy if it’s rigged against THEIR guy.
Rove doesn’t seem to grasp the slightest knowledge of the
rank and file. The RP movers and shakers have seemed that
way to me clear back into the 90s.
Perhaps it’s more like they understand them, but don’t want
them to prevail, so they work to destroy them.
Buchanan had the grasp of the border issue and other America
first type concepts, but the RP leadership just called him
a NAZI and the media played along to defeat him.
That was when I lost my last smidgen of respect for the RP.
All those people who had been happy to be friends with
Buchanan sold him out overnight. They described him as an
well known antisemite going way back, but forgot to mention
why he was invited to their homes and gatherings with no
problem until he began to overturn their apple-cart.
What they had done was frame all his followers by those same
terms.
Here with Trump we see a repeat of it. Trump thinks the party
is going to play nice-nice with him. They are only going to
use him until it’s clear the threat of a third party is past.
Then they will ignore, slander and detroy Trump from then on out.
Rove is useful to them because they can still get him on
the air to spread their lies.
The old GOPe is still alive and kicking. McConnell is the
latest aging crop of destruction.
Their new crop is the McCain, Cheney wing of the party.
These cut-throats will play along with the party elites until
their day comes along, and then they’ll be given plum status.
So yeah, enabling words.
Who’s this Pence clown?
You give them far too much credit. You have mellowed over the years, while my heart has hardened. More power to you, FRiend.
the tone deaf Heritage Foundation thought he should produce something
Too late. STFU
And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted.
The opener of the Certificates would be the person who would count the votes. Or have they historically passed them along to all the members of the Senate? My understanding is that the process has always resulted in the "President of the Senate" counting the votes.
The rest of the world apparently is not blessed with your eyesight, such as it is.
I have long become accustomed to the phenomena of being the only person in the room who is accurate and correct in my understanding of things. This has happened over and over again throughout my life, and I suppose it is just the burden I must bear from being so blessed with a piercing intellect. :)
The vice president does not have the constitutional authority to reject vote so there are no objections to override.
If he has no authority, the article of the constitution is rendered as having no purpose. Since it requires his participation, it cannot be viewed in this manner.
He had no such power.
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