Posted on 03/03/2021 12:33:03 PM PST by rxsid
He had zero authority to do any such thing.
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Sir, Ivan Raiklin, a Constitutional lawyer and former Green Beret apparently disagrees with you.
Where FRAUD was suspected, Raiklin believes Pence should have sent any such states sealed envelope back to the legislature for further review/action. Arizona in fact had requested theirs be sent back.
So, Pence had options rather than certifying FRAUD which everybody knows happened witnessed by some 50 odd courts, led or intimidated by John Roberts, being afraid to look at the evidence.
Thanks Nikos1121.
You know that Pontus Pilate 3 times said he found no guilt in Jesus, yet he went down in history as handing Jesus Christ over to be crucified....Even his wife had a dream and pleaded with pilate to release Jesus, but Pilate did not have the strength of character within himself. I believe he was a part of God’s plan, and while I am still deeply disappointed in Mike Pence, I ultimately believe that this too is all a part of God’s plan.
But, we had better stop the hand wringing and prepare for the future and to actively pursue voting roles and doing Whatever it takes on the local and state levels.
The senate Republican’s unofficial motto:
“This is not the hill to die on...”
Pence couldn’t choose the electors; that’s up to the states. Pence couldn’t choose whether or not some electoral college votes were “valid”. There’s no such thing. The electors cast a vote and those votes are the only ones that matter.
Nevertheless, the legislatures failed to confront strong evidence of voter fraud, not through alterations of data through overseas servers, but by the certification of invalid ballots in Democratic controlled counties.
TRUMP
Sign REMAINS up here. Pence name blocked out.
Leaving aside for a moment that that's not the way it currently is done, if you were right then wouldn't it say "The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open and count all the Certificates" or words to that effect? Instead it makes it two distinct steps and does not specifically state that the President of the Senate does the counting. And in practice the President of the Senate does not count the votes, the four tellers who do that. Which makes sense, four sets of eyes validating the count rather than one.
I have long become accustomed to the phenomena of being the only person in the room who is accurate and correct in my understanding of things.
And I have been long accustomed to watching you cling to ridiculous positions in the face of all evidence to the contrary. You are secure in your ignorance.
If he has no authority, the article of the constitution is rendered as having no purpose.
Let me point out that nowhere in the Constitution does if give power to the President of the Senate or the House or the Senate itself to refuse to accept the electors sent from the states. Per the 10th Amendment then that power is granted to the states themselves, and one would expect it to be done prior to sending them in. But you will continue to cling to your big government solution I'm sure.
I agree with your thoughts there.
bkmk Pence
It advanced just fine in 1969 without the vice president.
Because again, he doesn’t preside over anything. He opens the certificates. That’s literally the end of his responsibility.
The US Constitution specifies it to be the president of the Senate. It doesn’t say the VP. The VP has that role when he’s on site. When he isn’t, the president pro tempore fills that role. If the US Constitution intended it to only ever be the VP, it would have said VP and not “president of the Senate”.
Martial law may only be declared in areas where “war exists in a community and the courts and civil authorities are overthrown.” - Ex Parte Milligan (1866)
It appears you continue to blow smoke. There is only one President of the Senate and it is the VP. The senate elects a senator to sit in his absence and that individual is referred to as the "president pro tempore".
The founders designated "President of the Senate" rather than VP since they intended this function of electing a president (Joint Session) be that of the Congress and not a function of the Executive branch.
But then you know that, or at least should know that. It is easy to imagine you were comfortable with the recent impeachment trial presided over by one not the Chief Justice of the USSC.
This means "president for the time being". In other words, in the absence of the VP in the Senate chambers, the president pro tempore is legally the president of the Senate.
"they intended this function of electing a president (Joint Session) be that of the Congress and not a function of the Executive branch.
Completely agree here, which is why the tellers of the House and Senate perform the function of actually recording the votes rather than the VP. Also why the VP is entirely powerless in this process. The alternative is to have a VP controlling who may vote for his opponent, which is an absurd conflict of interest.
"It is easy to imagine you were comfortable with the recent impeachment trial presided over by one not the Chief Justice of the USSC."
There was no trial; merely a show taking place. A trial would required an impeached president. What they had was a private citizen. He could not be removed from an office he didn't occupy. A trial would have to be presided over by the Chief Justice. So many reasons why what took place recently was - in no way - a legally conducted impeachment trial.
Had they voted to convict, and should President Trump decide to run for office in 2024, the Supreme Court would have no choice but to rule him perfectly eligible for the office. But I don't think he'll run again. I think we'll see him exercise his leadership in a private role where he isn't encumbered by the rules, laws, and day to day responsibilities of the office of the President. He now has so much more freedom to advance his agenda of improving America.
Your subtle misuse of my words in order to support your core premise is not surprising. You should be aware, however, that several legal scholars disagree with you. Now you can have the last word.
It doesn’t matter what you pretend, reality intrudes.
Read Machiavelli, Read the book “The Dictators Handbook”. Read history (buy it in books before it gets erased).
You can not hold anyone to a standard if you lack the power to set the standard. The dems just banned Dr Seuss for craps sake, and you want to prosecute them? Police are cruising the streets arresting people going to church (while pot stores stay open!) and you are bleating about holding Democrats accountable? Perhaps you have been out of the loop for a year, but if COVID killed one thing, it was the fiction we live in a land of laws.
What LEO will file charges? What prosecuting attorney will present the case? What judge will touch it? The only reason Cummo’s sexual escapades are sinking him is because he is being thrown aside. They didn’t just happen a few weeks ago.
Their are rules to the game, but it isn’t the USCONST. Perhaps never has been. The Alien and Sedation act was passed by the next generation after the constitution was written.
The biggest issue team red has it they keeping demanding that every follow rules that no longer apply. Kind of like an NBA ref calling traveling. Sure it is on the books, but we are well passed the point it can be enforced.
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