Posted on 11/27/2020 9:53:45 AM PST by Alter Kaker
Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof.
We have neither here. The Trump Presidential Campaign asserts that Pennsylvania’s 2020 election was unfair. But as lawyer Rudolph Giuliani stressed, the Campaign “doesn’t plead fraud. . . . [T]his is not a fraud case.” Instead, it objects that Pennsylvania’s Secretary of State and some counties restricted poll watchers and let voters fix technical defects in their mail-in ballots. It offers nothing more.
This case is not about whether those claims are true. Rather, the Campaign appeals on a very narrow ground: whether the District Court abused its discretion in not letting the Campaign amend its complaint a second time. It did not. Most of the claims in the Second Amended Complaint boil down to issues of state law. But Pennsylvania law is willing to overlook many technical defects. It favors counting votes as long as there is no fraud. Indeed, the Campaign has already litigated and lost many of these issues in state courts.
The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory. It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes. And federal law does not require poll watchers or specify how they may observe. It also says nothing about curing technical state-law errors in ballots. Each of these defects is fatal, and the proposed Second Amended Complaint does not fix them. So the District Court properly denied leave to amend again.
Nor does the Campaign deserve an injunction to undo Pennsylvania’s certification of its votes. The Campaign’s claims have no merit. The number of ballots it specifically challenges is far smaller than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. And it never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters. Plus, tossing out millions of mail-in ballots would be drastic and unprecedented, disenfranchising a huge swath of the electorate and upsetting all down-ballot races too. That remedy would be grossly disproportionate to the procedural challenges raised. So we deny the motion for an injunction pending appeal.
I can’t be sure, of course, but this case was presented in a very narrow way. That looks a great deal like the desire was to have an immediate decision.
There is time pressure and they needed to get all the way to SCOTUS quickly. There, presumably a broader presentation will take place.
I think this is all calendar tactics.
What’s also good here is this was done this week soon after they picked it up and expedited it.
I have not read the court filing. But that opinion seems like a representative for the Biden camp wrote it .... wait for it .... to be read on the evening news.
Correct. The Trump campaign has not claimed fraud in this case or in any other case. In fact they've taken pains to make clear they AREN'T claiming fraud. There are other lawsuits out there alleging fraud, but they aren't from Trump or the Trump campaign. While Rudy and Trump have talked about fraud in front of the cameras, they have not alleged fraud in any court of law.
The states doing everything “wrong” have invalidated the votes of all the states who did it the right way.
Uh folks, this was a disastrous decision written by the Trump appointed Judge.
But all you legal scholars think this is great.
Until you see someone show a court that enough votes should be switched, there will be no change.
No, it’s not a victory.
I predict right here that five originalist judges will decline to grant cert on the grounds that this is a nonjusticeable political question, and that Amy Coney Barrett will write the decision.
Giuliani did not say that there was no fraud, he did not plead fraud as the issue in this case. He was pleading that the violations of the voting process—which are uncontested—were enough to overturn the legitimacy and certification of the vote.
Five citizens are all that is standing between the American Republic and utter destruction.
We know their names. John Roberts is probably not on the short list.
Pray!!
Um, if you say “there’s no fraud” (even though there clearly was) to a lower court, how’s that help us if and when it gets to SCOTUS?
One would think that SCOTUS, IF they hear it (no guarantee they will) will say..”gee, you said there’s no fraud” (to the lower court).
Doesn’t seem like “strategery” to me. Seems like Rudy shouldn’t be the one presenting our case.
Tom Fitton, would of been a better choice!
Judges: 14 Circuit Justice: Samuel Alito Chief Judge: D. Brooks Smith ================== Age Title Judge Duty station Born Term of service Appointed by 69 Chief Judge D. Brooks Smith Duncansville, PA 1951 2002present &2016present G.W. Bush 73 Circuit Judge Theodore McKee Philadelphia, PA 1947 1994present &20102016 Clinton 71 Circuit Judge Thomas L. Ambro Wilmington, DE 1949 2000present Clinton 58 Circuit Judge Michael Chagares Newark, NJ 1962 2006present G.W. Bush 63 Circuit Judge Kent A. Jordan Wilmington, DE 1957 2006present G.W. Bush 55 Circuit Judge Thomas Hardiman * Pittsburgh, PA 1965 2007present G.W. Bush 63 Circuit Judge Joseph A. Greenaway Jr. Newark, NJ 1957 2010present Obama 59 Circuit Judge Patty Shwartz Newark, NJ 1961 2013present Obama 52 Circuit Judge Cheryl Ann Krause Philadelphia, PA 1968 2014present Obama 61 Circuit Judge Luis Felipe Restrepo Philadelphia, PA 1959 2016present Obama 51 Circuit Judge Stephanos Bibas * Philadelphia, PA 1969 2017present Trump 54 Circuit Judge David J. Porter * Pittsburgh, PA 1966 2018present Trump 49 Circuit Judge Paul Matey * Newark, NJ 1971 2019present Trump 47 Circuit Judge Peter J. Phipps Pittsburgh, PA 1973 2019present Trump ========================= Senior Circuit 88 Senior Circuit Dolores Sloviter inactive 1932 19792013 2013present Carter &19911998 86 Senior Circuit Walter King Stapleton Wilmington, DE 1934 19851999 1999present Reagan 87 Senior Circuit Morton Ira Greenberg Trenton, NJ 1933 19872000 2000present Reagan 80 Senior Circuit Anthony Joseph Scirica Philadelphia, PA 1940 19872013 2013present Reagan &20032010 90 Senior Circuit Robert Cowen Trenton, NJ 1930 19871998 1998present Reagan 80 Senior Circuit Richard Lowell Nygaard Erie, PA 1940 19882005 2005present Reagan 85 Senior Circuit Jane Richards Roth Washington, D.C. 1935 19912006 2006present G.H.W. Bush 73 Senior Circuit Midge Rendell Philadelphia, PA 1947 19972015 2015present Clinton 74 Senior Circuit Julio M. Fuentes Newark, NJ 1946 20002016 2016present Clinton 76 Senior Circuit D. Michael Fisher Pittsburgh, PA 1944 20032017 2017present G.W. Bush
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* denotes Federalist Society member
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Onward and upward...
So the law is merely a vague suggestion? Maybe I'll try that approach next time I rob a bank.
I have not read the court filing. But that opinion seems like a representative for the Biden camp wrote it .... wait for it .... to be read on the evening news.
Clarification - i have not read the COMPLAINT filed with the court.
So they can’t hear the case because the remedy would be either too big or too small?
Same. Can someone explain to me how this is great?
The Federal government’s own Electoral College page (https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020) already has the president as Biden & shows the PA electors for Biden (https://www.archives.gov/files/electoral-college/2020/ascertainment-pennsylvania.pdf)
“I will always blame Kushner and Ivanka for this monumental screw up”
While I share your sentiment regarding those two, I think Trump wanted to get to SCOTUS ASAP. These lower court clowns were never going to do anything.
Why not Alito writing the opinion?
It isn’t a total loss until the SCOTUS rules.
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