Posted on 11/16/2020 1:40:52 PM PST by RomanSoldier19
Hat tip to muslims is what this proposal is
Our military seems divided on means of locomotino. Land, Sea, Air and now Space.
Marines do seem to be a fifth category.
But sometimes redundancy is a good thing.
If one branch becomes weak, the others can make up the slack.
[That’s always why the Army has tried from time to time to absorb the Marines. ]
It isn’t just that, either.
The USMC, being less constrained and hidebound, has shown itself over the years to be innovative and unafraid to embrace new techniques and technologies.
A little known fact to the public at large is that the USMC was the first branch to explore helicopter assault for troop deployments during the Korean war.
“Ain’t Ready to be a Marine Yet,”
And a marine rifle squad consists of two riflemen and 7 cameraman.
A lot of people might “think” that. I don’t know any who have the balls the actually “say” it aloud.
Evidence says, “YES!”
With good leadership many Army units were every bit as good as the Marines in WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam. Sometimes better. If the Army is worried about these matters it need only look in the mirror for the cause.
They aren’t on every surface ship anymore, I don’t even think they have detachments that serve on carriers or other large ships as they did when I was in.
But yes, they do that job of guarding Embassies, which is a plum job unless that Embassy is in a sh*thole country that hates America.
This is interesting. Just yesterday, I was discussing with another former Army officer how the Marines were ditching their Abrams tanks, choosing to emulate their British cousins in relying upon the Army to provide the heavy armor.
Of course, I don't completely agree with COL Macgregor. In fact, I would argue (along with some Marine officers of my acquaintance) that the Marines have gotten too heavy (see the remarks above regarding the Abrams tank). I don't see why MARSOC is needed. And I sure as hell don't get why a service that depends upon the Navy for chaplains and medical services and the Army for heavy bridging (and now heavy armor) justifies having its own cybertroops.
I think that the Marines have to get back to their core competencies to avoid being disbanded. They need to focus on the amphibious mission set and get away from competing with the Army too directly.
Afghanistan is a land-locked country. So, why have we been using our specialized amphibious troops to fight for it for decades? I suspect that this circumstance is borne of military politics--the Marines want to fight (good!) and get their share of whatever glory emerges (something that is less important than the mission).
I know some Freeper Leathernecks will flame me for this response, but let's step back 100 meters and ask ourselves why a separate Marine Corps is worth having--and ask ourselves what its core mission set is.
I read an FR dress-wetting
post earlier today where someone went from an article about a 500 ship navy to “the military industrial complex must be destroyed”.
this hysterical sh*t isn’t much worse than that hysterical sh*t.
In other words, he’d like to do away with the only branch that directly answers to POTUS and is limited Constitutionally to Corps strength. That limitation is not imposed on the other services.
It isn’t about saving money. It’s about weakening the US and eventually bringing it down.
That is what ALL of this is about.
...and they still get the job done more efficiently...:)
I don’t know how that would be.
A Marine Infantry Battalion has the same ranks and same equipment as a standard Army light infantry battalion....and I know they don’t pay Marine privates less than Army privates.
I was in the USAF Veterinary Service. We caught the Army Vets and enlisted taking bribes from contractors in a scam that included DOD members. There was a Senate investigation in 1975 that ended up sending around 100 Army and DOD employees to prison or receiving punishment. The proposal to reduce the bribes and corruption? The Army recommended that the USAF Veterinary Service be eliminated and the Army take over the areas that the USAF Veterinarians and servicemen were assigned. Jimmy Carter signed the dissolution of the USAF Veterinary Service and our service was eliminated by 1982. The Army argued that this would save money yet in reality it cost much more.
I served with Marines at the NCBC at Gulfport and would do so in a heartbeat as they were professional and real.
Stop with the USMC is elite nonsense. My Father was a Marine enlisted man for almost 25 years. I’m an Army Vet. There is very little difference between a regular line Marine Corps Infantry unit and an regular line Army Infantry unit. Are the Marines excellent at small unit tactics? They are. Are Army units equally as good? They are. Yes, The Marines have amphib capabilities and fixed wing assets the Army doesn’t, but this whole the “Corps is elite” mantra is simple self promotion.
It’s certainly anti-Constitutional.
You think the swamp hasn’t hit the Pentagon? It’s where it’s likely the deepest.
No way.
Marines understand that SOMEONE has to be running the PX. /runsaway
Clayton Lonetree.
Not many know this but being a former Marine, it is the only Branch of the Military which exclusively answers to the President, NOT Congress or Politicians. Research it yourself.
"Once a Marine, always a Marine". Thank you for your service, Marine.
My half-brother from Mom's first marriage served in Chou Lai, 1967-1968. He would never talk about what it was like there. But I clearly recall, as a toddler, one night when he was home on leave. Mom was cooking in the kitchen, and he was in the living room watching TV. A pan lid accidentally fell on the kitchen floor. In less than a second, half-brother had LEAPED over the back of the couch and landed in a "ready" squat on the floor.
I can't even imagine what he must have seen in Nam to cause such a reaction. He's the original Stone Face, and normally doesn't scare -- period.
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