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For those who are in search of a little good news. Trafalgar was dead on accurate in Michigan in 2016.
1 posted on 06/22/2020 1:52:17 PM PDT by usafa92
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Trump will win by 7.


2 posted on 06/22/2020 1:55:55 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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I like it!


3 posted on 06/22/2020 1:55:57 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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The standard for reading any poll in order to get a true picture should be to subtract 5 points from Biden and add 5 points for Trump.


4 posted on 06/22/2020 1:56:00 PM PDT by Meatspace
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and you can take it to the bank that the Undecided are mostly shy Trump voters...


6 posted on 06/22/2020 1:56:55 PM PDT by rhinohunter (All Lives Matter - I will NOT take a knee!!!)
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What % of those polled are Dems and Repubs?

Oversampling of Dems and undersampling Repubs is usually par for the course for polls.


7 posted on 06/22/2020 1:56:59 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clown World Then You Have Spent Too Much Time At The Circus)
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There are a whole lot of people whistling past the graveyard here just waiting until November.


8 posted on 06/22/2020 1:58:23 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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Wait tell the president and pro-Trump PACs starting running ads that will make Biden melt.


10 posted on 06/22/2020 1:59:34 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Wipe ANTIFA off the face of the Earth. Indict Soros, too...their sugar daddy.)
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If these numbers are legit, we have Biden right where we want him. Let’s face it. We need him to have a nominal lead at this point. If polls were showing him losing, the Dems would be all the more motivated to give the senile old coot the hook and install someone that isn’t, you know, 98 years old and suffering from dementia.


11 posted on 06/22/2020 2:00:38 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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Based on “2020 likely voters” but no information on how they determined that.


12 posted on 06/22/2020 2:00:49 PM PDT by Raycpa
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What's interesting about Michigan is that they did have >5% of the vote for third party candidates. The biggest was Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. Jill Stein was number two, and I there was also one other that was significant. Trump only won by 10,000 votes- so the number and quality of 3rd Party Candidates could be an important factor this year.

Gary Johnson was a uniquely good Libertarian candidate (based on his results). That's partially because he ran twice in a row and didn't really take a break between campaigns. Se he ran continuously for 5 of 6 years, building momentum and name recognition. He was also a more plausible Presidential candidate than previous Libertarian candidates: a two term former Governor, his running mate for VP was also a former Governor.

I don't think the Libertarians are likely to have a candidate nearly as good as him again.

13 posted on 06/22/2020 2:01:38 PM PDT by Jack Black
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It’s good news only in comparison with other polls.


14 posted on 06/22/2020 2:03:09 PM PDT by lasereye
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General rule of thumb: 3rd party candidates actually only get about half of what they poll. The other half goes to what the voter sees as the lesser of 2 evils.


15 posted on 06/22/2020 2:03:09 PM PDT by rhinohunter (All Lives Matter - I will NOT take a knee!!!)
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Mail in ballots will be the key. It makes me very nervous.


16 posted on 06/22/2020 2:07:20 PM PDT by pnut22
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Usually you worry a bit if an incumbent polls too far below 50%, but in this year, like in 2016, the democrat is an extremely well-known figure, so there isn’t a lot of “undecideds” who are going to “learn about” the other candidate.


18 posted on 06/22/2020 2:12:43 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Polls show that if the election was held today, most voters would be awfully surprised.

Honestly, I think any polls at this point are meaningless, one way or the other, and the election is probably up in the air. The Democrats are doing everything they can to hand it to Trump, but Trump hasn’t been doing himself many favors lately, either.


19 posted on 06/22/2020 2:13:31 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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And this is with voters knowing zero, nada, nothing about Biden. I’m certain that if Trafalgar wanted to be accurate they could have factored in enthusiasm which of course they did not. In the history of poling there has not ever been an enthusiasm gap as big as the twice reported 30 + points in Trump’s favor. Try again Trafalgar.


21 posted on 06/22/2020 2:13:38 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is li)
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NAFTA destroyed Michigan, period.
guess who voted for it... Sleepy Joe Biden

most L’s are just pissed off, disaffected R’s... the pothead Johnson got over 100k votes in 2016, I hope they come home after all these draconian lockdowns and riots


22 posted on 06/22/2020 2:14:46 PM PDT by sheehan (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS.)
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Hillary was 8% ahead in MI at this point


23 posted on 06/22/2020 2:16:05 PM PDT by struggle
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You guys and the polls pull the same crap every single election season. Be smarter.

Polls this far out from an election are worse than meaningless. They are pure propaganda.


Ignore opinion polls.

25 posted on 06/22/2020 2:17:33 PM PDT by Antoninus (The press has lost the ability to persuade. They retain the ability to foment a panic.)
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Final polls 2016. Hilary Clinton to win by 3.6%. Trafalgar was spot on:
Clinton (D)
	
Trump (R)
	Spread
Final Results	--	--	--	47.0	47.3	Trump +0.3
RCP Average	11/1 - 11/6	--	--	47.0	43.4	Clinton +3.6
Trafalgar (R)*	11/6 - 11/6	1200 LV	2.8	47	49	Trump +2
Gravis*	11/1 - 11/4	1079 RV	3.0	46	41	Clinton +5
FOX 2	11/3 - 11/3	1007 LV	3.1	50	45	Clinton +5
PPP (D)	11/3 - 11/4	957 LV	3.2	50	44	Clinton +6
Detroit Free Press*	11/1 - 11/3	600 LV	4.0	42	38	Clinton +4

All Michigan: Trump vs. Clinton Polling Data

29 posted on 06/22/2020 2:23:48 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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