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China moving military ships near Taiwanese coast may spark US confrontation
NY Post ^ | 05/26/2020 | Mark Moore

Posted on 05/27/2020 7:59:26 AM PDT by Dr. Marten

The Chinese Communist Party is readying two new aircraft carriers for deployment off the coast of Taiwan that could lead to a military confrontation with the US ships in the region, as the relationship between the two global powers has become strained by trade issues and the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report.

The ships Liaoning and Shandong, part of the People’s Liberation Army navy, are conducting military readiness drills in the Yellow Sea but are expected to move into the South China Sea to Pratas Island for invasion mock battles, CCP-controlled Global Times reported.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; kag; maga; taiwan; trump
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1 posted on 05/27/2020 7:59:26 AM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: Zhang Fei; BeauBo; warsaw44; Godzilla; HighRoadToChina; maui_hawaii; srm913; Free the USA; ...

China Ping!


2 posted on 05/27/2020 8:00:12 AM PDT by Dr. Marten
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I wonder if they made by that same outfit that made the Venezuela ship that fired on the Cruise ship and then got sliced in half by the cruise ship or something like that.


3 posted on 05/27/2020 8:03:51 AM PDT by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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To: Dr. Marten
could lead to a military confrontation with the US ships in the region

Or not.

4 posted on 05/27/2020 8:04:59 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Think like youÂ’re right, listen like youÂ’re wrong)
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To: Jim Noble

The Chinese communist party needs a diversion since it is failing at home.

Hence, incidents with India, and Hong Kong, and now probably Taiwan.


5 posted on 05/27/2020 8:06:22 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: Dr. Marten
Two ChiCom aircraft carriers...

...a target rich environment.

They are, after all, based upon Soviet/Russian technology. You'll just LUV their 'flaming Kuznetsov'! EVERYONE wants one!


6 posted on 05/27/2020 8:12:36 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Dr. Marten

“The Chinese Communist Party is readying two new aircraft carriers for deployment off the coast of Taiwan....”

Oh, you mean the new OLD Russian carriers?

If the Chinese fire one little shot at us, our boys will eat them alive in no time.


7 posted on 05/27/2020 8:12:46 AM PDT by melancholy
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Moving Tug Boats in place for the Big Tow I see


8 posted on 05/27/2020 8:17:25 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Dr. Marten

Just a matter of time when we see a military confrontation with China, either in the East/South China sea or off the coast of Taiwan.


9 posted on 05/27/2020 8:21:29 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Dr. Marten

Everything China is doing looks like they think it’s now or never


10 posted on 05/27/2020 8:23:14 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: butlerweave
IIRC, the Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov doesn't go anywhere without an ocean-going tug, 'just in case'. It has been that way from almost the beginning. The Kuznetsov generally blow VERY black smoke, along with its complement of jets. Easier to spot at a distance.
11 posted on 05/27/2020 8:28:36 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Nifster

“Everything China is doing looks like they think it’s now or never”

China knows what will happen if they fire on the US Navy at sea.

They won’t do it. Their navy is a source of national pride and martial delusion. They don’t want to see it burning on CNN.

They’ll harass shipping and air routes instead, and make outlandish threats.


12 posted on 05/27/2020 8:33:28 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
This is what happens when you build an aircraft carrier out of Chinese steel. 😆
13 posted on 05/27/2020 8:45:30 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight neiyour way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: datricker

One was made in the Ukraine the other is a homemade copy of the first. Both have few planes, limited by big fuel loads, limited arms, and flight time - mostly good for costal fleet defense. Not so good on taking on gigantic aircraft carrier called Taiwan.


14 posted on 05/27/2020 8:46:52 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Nifster

[Everything China is doing looks like they think it’s now or never]


Not China. Xi Jinping. China has forever. Xi Jinping, not so much. Chinese policymakers are very short-term in their outlook. The problem is that while an American president is guaranteed 4 years, a Chinese leader can be turfed at any time, and spends all his waking hours guarding against coups, mutinies or more subtle efforts to erode his authority.

Don’t think they occur? It happened even under Mao, who was the closest thing to a living god that China has had since the Communist dynasty won power in 1949. Deng Xiaoping, Peng Dehuai and a coterie of other bigwigs gradually eased Mao aside by removing his powers one after another. Mao struck back by initiating the Cultural Revolution. Peng was starved to death by Mao. Deng ran to the south where he was shielded by Ye Jianying from assassination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_Jianying#Life Some of the rest were hounded to their deaths.

Xi needs to act now, while his mind is still vigorous enough to simultaneously prosecute a war while fending off his internal rivals. The next dozen or so years are his only chance at transcending Mao to elevate his name to the level of China’s all-time great rulers.


15 posted on 05/27/2020 8:50:36 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Wonder if the Chinese Communist party is doing a distraction for the things going on the China,some heads are going to roll after the virus blow up.


16 posted on 05/27/2020 8:53:28 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: CondorFlight

[The Chinese communist party needs a diversion since it is failing at home.]


Wars of territorial expansion are not diversions. They are the main event. Think of it this way - do you acquire a pussy mobile to chase women? Or do you chase women in order to have an excuse to purchase a pussy mobile? For most men, I’d argue that the first takes priority over the second.

Xi is building a war machine to do what countries do with war machines - acquire real estate. Europe spends nothing on its military because it’s not interested in acquiring real estate. The US spends a little more (but, as a % of national output, 1/3 of Eisenhower-era levels) to make up for the fact that Europe’s head-in-the-sand approach means someone has to buy insurance to ensure we’re not caught with our pants down when history resumes its inexorable march, and rulers decide to buy themselves fame (or infamy) by conquering and annexing their neighbors.

If we had to use a board game analogy, the difference would be between Monopoly and Risk. The first is essentially a game involving administration where you tweak this and tweak that, but you’re essentially trying to build your wealth. The second is a game involving power politics where you are trying to impose your will on your rivals and stamping your name in the history books - like Alexander and Caesar, you are interested in fame for posterity. Current era history writers and political commentators have beaten us over the head with the idea that rulers are basically interested in games of Monopoly. That’s in stark contrast to thousands of years of history that indicate they’re mostly interested in games of Risk.


17 posted on 05/27/2020 9:09:05 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Vaduz :" Wonder if the Chinese Communist party is doing a distraction for the things going on the China,
some heads are going to roll after the virus blow up."

Thinking that might be some of the motivation for the sudden Chinese militarization:
the recent Chinese military attack against India at the border
the recent Hong Kong freedom riots
Battleships heading towards Taiwan
All of these actions serve as a distraction from the failure of the Chinese Central Bureau's economic policies.
In China, one must maintain 'keeping face'.

18 posted on 05/27/2020 9:13:51 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Indeed they have greater fear of India then they let on and your list shows they are in a near panic mode.


19 posted on 05/27/2020 9:25:56 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: melancholy

Yep. China is a paper tiger.

The 2 Carriers are early in the operations learning cycle and useless, except to be big fat targets.

Same thing goes for the Spratly’s and Paracels and the 3 artificial Reefs.

We could knock all of that into oblivion with 1 sub and 1 Cruiser. We wouldn’t even need manned airpower or Deep Strike Stealth.


20 posted on 05/27/2020 9:38:05 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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