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Firm Can Cut Into Titanic to Recover Telegraph, Judge Says
NY Times ^ | 05-20-2020 | Neil Vigdor and Sandra E. Garcia

Posted on 05/20/2020 8:13:02 AM PDT by NRx

An underwater salvage company was granted approval this week to cut into the wreckage of the Titanic to try to recover a Marconi telegraph, rekindling a complex debate over access to the ship and maritime law.

The company, R.M.S. Titanic, persuaded a federal judge on Monday to allow it to conduct a salvage operation this summer in the wreckage of the ship, which sank during its maiden voyage across the Atlantic in 1912 after hitting an iceberg. More than 1,500 of the ship’s passengers died, and about 700 survived.

The ruling, by Judge Rebecca Beach Smith of the U.S. District Court in Norfolk, Va., made changes to a 2000 court order that prohibited the company from cutting into the ship’s hull to search for diamonds.

The company sought to loosen the restrictions so it could recover the Titanic’s telegraph machine, which it contends could be lost forever because of the degradation of the ship. The radio transmitter could unlock some of the secrets about a missed warning message and distress calls sent from the ship, said the company, which obtained the salvage rights to the wreckage in the 1980s. The site is about 370 miles off the coast of Newfoundland.

“The Marconi device has significant historical, educational, scientific and cultural value as the device used to make distress calls while the Titanic was sinking,” Judge Smith wrote in her ruling. The company will be permitted to “minimally to cut into the wreck” so it can reach the telegraph room, Judge Smith wrote.

David Concannon, a lawyer for R.M.S. Titanic, said in an interview on Tuesday that the company would try to avoid cutting into the ship and that the ship’s telegraph room could be reached through a skylight that was already open.

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To: Jeff Chandler

Re pic: Are those the characters played by Leonardo DeCaprio and Kate Winslett?


141 posted on 05/20/2020 11:39:20 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: GOPJ

They are going to recover all the cases of Bass Ale that was in the hold.


142 posted on 05/20/2020 11:49:21 AM PDT by Midnitethecat (St)
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To: C210N

That is fascinating. Thanks for posting it.


143 posted on 05/20/2020 11:53:53 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: mowowie

I have a book The Grand Scuttle by Dan van der Vat (1986) that covers this event. As I recall they were still harvesting steel in 1986 from these ships for some medical instruments because the steel was made before the nuclear tests so it does not have trace elements of radiation. (I recall the book saying manufacturing steel uses a lot of air and current air is tainted).


144 posted on 05/20/2020 12:07:52 PM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: headstamp 2
[[[The tapes?]]] Yes, the cassette in the machine.

In 1912 that was probably an 8-track.


145 posted on 05/20/2020 12:15:12 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: C210N

The second link was very emotional.
oh man...


146 posted on 05/20/2020 12:27:41 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: alternatives?

True, but less concern now. Atmospheric radiation is substantially reduced and they now use ‘pure’ oxygen.


147 posted on 05/20/2020 12:36:11 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: alternatives?

True, but less concern now. Atmospheric radiation is substantially reduced and they now use ‘pure’ oxygen.


148 posted on 05/20/2020 12:36:13 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: wally_bert

Regarding the value, the going price for various sizes of cut diamonds is pretty well established. I think cut diamonds verge on being a commodity.

But and this is where it gets interesting, does a necklace made with “Titanic Diamonds” exceed the price of an identical necklace with ordinary antwerp diamonds?


149 posted on 05/20/2020 12:38:02 PM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: alternatives?

Not the one i read.
must of been a very interesting and scary job going down those vertical tubes and sealing up those sunken ships..


150 posted on 05/20/2020 12:38:08 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: NRx

Why not, they’ve stolen everything else....


151 posted on 05/20/2020 12:42:04 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: IronJack

The historical value of that stuff is infinitely more than the scrap value of the metal. And historical value is also cash value to collectors or museums.


152 posted on 05/20/2020 12:45:52 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (This tagline is an advertisement-free zone. Is yours?)
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To: Jane Long

There’s some suspicion that he killed him too. Some of those who tried to swamp the last lifeboats were killed by blows from oars.


153 posted on 05/20/2020 12:46:00 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It showed a body but no one knows if it’s from the wreck. As the song goes, “Superior never gives up her dead” due to the cold water that keeps corpses from rising. There have been so many shipwrecks in that Lake, it could be a body from some other wreck.


154 posted on 05/20/2020 12:48:32 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: bert

Some rich idiot will pay for titanic diamonds.


155 posted on 05/20/2020 12:50:43 PM PDT by wally_bert (Transmission tone, Selma.)
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To: BenLurkin
"Sounds like an expensive operation."
I'm thinking once they're all set up with deep sea rovers they might as well peek around for diamonds and safes?

Plus if they have salvage rights can't they get what they can (minus human remains)? Maybe they could find that humongous blue diamond the gal tossed off the stern. ;-)

Its not a scuba diving tourist site.

156 posted on 05/20/2020 12:51:40 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Tunehead54

Salvage controlled by UNESCO and international agreements. I would think any salvage operation would be monitored.


157 posted on 05/20/2020 12:55:29 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Tunehead54; BenLurkin

Without searching I thought a telegraph back then, Marconi or otherwise, used paper tape (no thumbdrives or SD chips) which would long ago have deteriorated to nothing.

Thus I suspect ulterior motives with “whatever” they needed to say to overcome the earlier court order.


158 posted on 05/20/2020 12:57:50 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: TexasGator
Or you did:

scientists Henrietta Mann and Bhavleen Kaur and researchers from the University of Sevilla in Spain were able to identify a new bacterial species collected from rusticles (a formation of rust similar to an icicle or stalactite) from the Titanic wreck.

https://www.livescience.com/9079-species-rust-eating-bacteria-destroying-titanic.html

Hard for a rust-eating bacterium to survive where there's no rust to eat.

159 posted on 05/20/2020 12:58:46 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Fresh Wind
The article said the expedition was seeking the Marconi set to investigate why messages might have been lost or garbled on that fateful night. I can't believe there'd be enough left of it to even be recognizable, let alone to provide any useful information. Or to represent a useful artifact.

I can't imagine it would be worth it.

160 posted on 05/20/2020 1:05:16 PM PDT by IronJack
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