Posted on 05/04/2020 9:01:38 PM PDT by Barnacle
Most of us have been in lockdown for about six weeks. The objective was to flatten the curve and reduce the total number of victims of COVID-19. Well, the curve has been flattened indeed, but how is it six-weeks later there are 25,375 new cases in a single day?
With all the laws and policies implemented to knock out this virus, I expected we’d be on the last leg of the downward curve by now. But, instead of a peak and decline, we’ve had three peaks and shallow valleys between them.
If people are staying at home, practicing social distancing, wearing masks in public, washing their hands and sanitizing everything in sight, how is it that COVID-19 continues to be transmitted from person to person?
A couple possibilities that occurred to me are that: 1) People flouting the laws, or 2) The virus is phenomenally virulent beyond anything ever seen before ( bio-weapon).
I was fully on board with the lockdown orders when they were issued. It was what we needed to do to beat this. However, we are at the point that the cure is becoming worse than the disease. In addition to what this virus has done to people directly, what about the collateral damage, such as long-term damage to our economy? For instance, consider the first two trillion dollar bail-out. Who pays for it? If you are among the approximate one-hundred-million US tax payers, you do. The federal government just signed your name to a $20,000 loan. Don’t think so? Do the math.
It would be particularly interesting to hear the stories of COVID-19 cases that you’ve heard of in the last couple weeks and theories of how they were exposed.
Should we just let this thing take an inevitable course, or should we double-down on lock-down?
The States may not have declared it but we are living it and it gets worse by the day.
We have drones (from china with spyware on them) flying over our towns (Elizabeth NJ) reminding people to stay 6 feet apart and practice social distancing. We have cops arresting people in front of their kids for using our parks/playgrounds that we finance with our taxes. That we freakin own! We have hotlines to call to snitch on our neighbors for not following the “guidelines” oh laws/rules that are unconstitutional, lol.
In the real world, many states are now police states. Be thankful your state isn’t because here, we’re in a police state.
The initial reaction struck me as being what you might call rational panic based on what must have been scary intel reports that you and I don’t see. My reason for thinking this is that I noticed a very strong shift in attitude among some of the more conservative politicians whose initial responses were “this too shall pass.” It was as though they had been privately briefed and changed their minds.
That is not the same as saying they got accurate information though. The scary intel might have been part of a larger plot to create a financial crisis.
The death rate in nursing homes appears to be fairly significant if the virus gets in at all, then it seems to take quite a toll. And then there is the collateral damage of cases among the health care workers at those homes.
If we removed those cases from the totals, I don’t know if there is even the level of infection or death that we normally see in an active flu season, among the rest of the population. There again, it seems very hit or miss. The region where I live, fairly isolated and due to the lockdown without much incoming (or outgoing) flow of people, the total number of cases is marginal, maybe a dozen out of fifty thousand people.
I casually mentioned the general concept of an over-reaction and a return to business as usual to two workers in take-out food or coffee locations that I patronize during the lockdown. The 20-something barista was all like Karen said we shouldn’t open up, the 40-something bar manager was all like, “I hear you dude.”
So apparently realization sets in around 30.
I remember when FReepers believed in the Constitution.
My Grandmother died in the 1960s. She came over from Italy and raised 15 kids without welfare or any benefits.She’d be appalled what has happened to the American Dream, the Land of Plenty. And she cheered when they hung Mussolini.
My father is a WWII vet and he’d be appalled at what has happened to the Country he fought for.
So you can take your fake sanctity for life and virtue signaling and kiss my ass.
Your judge of character is only exceeded by your medical knowledge
That’s true too. I was amongst the first here to raise alarm bells about the economy. (FWIW, I was an Economic Planner for several years; so, I know a bit about the subject.) In the short term, supply-chain disruptions and the possible degradation of critical infrastructure worry me even more than a depression. We’re already seeing links in food supply chains breaking. Imagine life in a big city, if the electric grid goes down, and it can’t be fixed.
It’s not lives vs. dollars — it’s lives vs lives & a collapsed economy would result in a massive loss of life. So, I actually agree strongly with everything you said. In fact, I’d underline it and put it in bold type.
However, there’s no good reason that either scenario has to happen. People can get back to work, and the death count does not have to spin out of control. All that’s required is that everyone acts responsibly, and with due regard to the safety of others.
Don’t be like the criminal who recently murdered a store security guard, rather than wear a mask to enter the store. Don’t be like the insufferably stupid, and just plain disgusting idiot that wiped his nose on a store clerk’s shirt. Practice social distancing to the extent possible. Act like you care about your friends and neighbours.
If people continue with their delusions that this is nothing more than the flu, and if they act like spoiled 12 yr. old brats, who rebel at being asked to do simple things (social distancing, wearing masks in crowds) — then, a lot of people will die needlessly. You know that Trump will be blamed for every one of those deaths. A minority (I still believe it’s only a fringe minority) of his alleged supporters are behaving very badly & they are not doing Trump, or anyone else including themselves, any favours.
Aren’t some of the new numbers weeks old?
Results are not immediate and neither is national collection of data
Those figures came from the COVID-19 website that the Task Force members recommended.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
Thanks for the excellent link.
In case you did not notice, your link also provides links to the original CDC memos that established this fraudulent reporting policy.
Those can be very helpful when you come up against an opponent who demands to see your sources.
Positive cases are one thing....severe disease is another. Positive cases are going to increase as more get exposed to the virus but what seems to be dropping are deaths and hospitalization rates.
What were the actual causes of death in these two cases?
The lockdown(curve flattening) was never about saving lives. It was about preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. We will most likely all get the virus at some point.
Having said this, I am sick and tired of everyone including the president of not acting like this is what it is.....an Act of War by China. China needs to have their s$#t f#$@ed up viscously.
So the masks work from the inside but not the outside? What in the insane hell good is that??
So the masks work from the inside but not the outside? What in the insane hell good is that??
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Well it works well for the intended purpose—which is to prevent the surgeon’s germs from getting into the patients innards after being sliced open. That’s why they call it a surgical mask.
They did go to single target positives. There is a reason that isn’t the standard in rna testing. It was the second week of april. Now they can say.. you are positive, but didnt develop immunity. A very convenient money maker for the vax.
Who really wanta a vax bill gates funded.
Pretty good summation. WHO’s behind the scenes pulling the strings? Oh wait not just WHO but CDC, what’s in it for them? Follow the money and the politics. So many players willing to profit on OUR health care. In general they are not hiding in the shadows are they. Not to forget the Democrat Party and media are key players in what I hate to call a scam.
We have been lead to believe the virus is real. So at eighty with some of the major health issues making me the target clientele, at least where death is the concern, how far do I go thumbing my nose, or did I catch it back in January and survive? I would guess, based on the low numbers in my State of SD I was not even exposed in Jan. and still face limited exposure at this date.
Where is the darn like button. I knew you didn’t need any help.
Which is nearly everyone in both cases once the uncontaminated percentage is passed. Which is 1% of the population
Most of the rest of the world has the tb vaccine in their systems that is helping them. I think we should get our tb vaccine. Sweden may not have a current tb vaccine, but everyone born before 1975 (which is pretty much the target group, does have it, for example.
It’s the new woke!
51.5 Billion would immunize everyone in the U.S. (for tb) That doesn’t take into account the large number of foreign born people who already have this immunization so the actual figure would be lower.
It is likely that this would pay for itself quickly by reducing costs to Medicare/Medicaid for various inflammatory diseases.
The current approach has us 3 Trillion in the hole.
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