Posted on 04/02/2020 6:12:29 AM PDT by rktman
Tens of thousands of years ago, two gigantic ice sheets smothered the northernmost parts of what has since been named North America. They towered more than two kilometers high and contained 1.5 times as much water as Antarctica does today. They were daunting, impassable barriers to the early humans who had started moving east from Asia, walking across a land bridge that once connected the regions now known as Russia and Alaska. But once the ice started to melt, these peoples—the ancestors of the Americas’ Indigenous groups—spread southward into new lands.
What happened next?
Genetic studies, based on ancient remains, had already suggested that once the first American Indians got south of the ice, 14,600 to 17,500 years ago, they split into two main branches. One stayed north, giving rise to the Algonquian-speaking peoples of Canada. The other headed south, giving rise to the widespread Clovis culture, and to Central and South Americans. That’s a very rough outline, but a study from J. Víctor Moreno-Mayar and his colleagues fleshes it out. They showed that whatever happened south of the ice, it happened fast.
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Tonto stroked his chin and said...
“Let me see, I sleep till nine wake up to meal that woman cooked. Dress in clothes that woman made and keeps clean, go out and fish for a while, bring catch home, woman clean, take nap, eat meal that woman fix, then go hunting for a while. Catch me some game, bring it home, woman clean game, woman store game for later, fixes me meal, I have my pick of young ladies then go to sleep. Next day the same, then the same etc etc- NOW, tell me how you are going to make things better?” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reality:
I go to sleep in constant worry if the sentries will catch the enemy tribe scouts who are constantly raiding and killing us, as we do them.
I wake up, hungry, and wondering if we will be able to get any game or fish today. In summer, it is usually pretty good, but winter is almost always hungry.
Sometimes we eat enemies we have killed. In winter, sometimes we eat our own.
When we catch an enemy alive, we have good entertainment while we torture them to death. Great fun.
When you read the Lewis and Clark expedition journals, you find the most common question asked by native Americans, when encountering the expedition was: Have you got anything to eat?
Life of the American tribes has been tremendously romanticized to "noble savage" standards.
In reality it was brutal, cruel, hungry, and short, with constant warfare.
-—yes things did move rapidly on this continent.——
When the constraints of the King of England were removed, the lower 48 states were all populated within 50 to 75 years. The density was not uniform and still isn’t, but there folks all over
True, but we brought the steel, germs, and gunpowder.
There are thousands of home sites on the San Juan Plateau.
The young folks marry and move on. Old folks die and their properties were abandoned. and over and over and over
While they did not have metals or horses, they developed and maintained sophisticated crop irrigation systems.
True but that’s a different topic. There certainly was a huge exchange of products too. The Indians got the horse and mechanical technologies and the rest of the world got some of the most important agricultural staples.
Evolutionists believe that man is an animal no different in kind from other animals.So the Indians stole the land from the original animals who were here.
Disagree, but it seemed primarily for ornaments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_Mesoamerica
What I think is more bewildering is no exploration of the wheel beyond that of toys.
When I published those facts on my Dad's side "Face book Family page," one of my female cousins went ballistic.
She accused me of calling her dad a liar. Her dad and I had discussed and discounted the Indian bs many years prior to her birth. I can only surmise she didn't understand what he had told her. The nearest my grandfather had to being Indian was having a close friend who was.
Since she inherited the "Crazy" gene from her mom, I ignore her ranting.
Such as tomatoes, chili.
I love those! and corn, cotton (vast majority of it), chocolate, turkeys, potatoes etc.
In the sad final analysis, primitive people don't really have anything to offer a more developed culture.
I often wonder if primitive people are happier than more developed ones. They have their times of anguish, but simplicity appeals to me from time to time.
IMSHO, the conclusions are built to fit the underlying assumptions, so, worthless. I'm surprised these kinds of studies aren't seen as deeply offensive to the tribes and quasi-tribes in North America, since they use DNA samples, and there are *no*, as in *zero*, folkloric tales describing the supposed trek across Beringia (the modern name for a now-subermeged area) or tales about the vast ice (the folklore of the fimbul-winter still survives among Scandinavian peoples).
Which is why people spread out quickly. A hunter-gatherer tribe needs a LOT of territory to supply enough food.
Most likely they camped in an area, killed some game, and then moved south a few miles. Moving a few miles every week would cover a lot of territory over a generation.
Once the land got filled up, though, it meant that any population expansion would require reducing the population of neighbors.
The wheel only becomes useful after you have large domesticated animals you can get to pull a wagon or chariot. They didn't have any until Europeans showed up with horses and oxen.
True, which is why I labeled it ‘OLD CHESTNUT’
SAM, YOU, of ALL PEOPLE should know this...<: <: <:
‘Old chestnut’ - meaning and origin. - Phrasefinder
Old chestnut What’s the meaning of the phrase ‘Old chestnut’? A story that has been told repeatedly before, a ‘venerable’ joke. Hence, in extended use, anything trite, stale, or too often repeated.
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I’ve heard that as the explanation. I guess it makes sense.
Well, we know absolutely that it is possible to walk from one coast (Wsahington DC to Washington state coastline) in only three years, if a person is given the order “Go.”
Lewis met with Jefferson on the east tidewater one summer, spent the next winter in Pittsburgh building boats, spent the third on the banks of the Missouri in North Dakota with the Indians, and the very next winter he was on the Pacific Coast watching the sun go down. Came back in even less time.
Sure, moving an entire tribe is more difficult, but there is noreason the “require” several thousands years just to populate North America. You only need five generations of obnoxious mothers-in-law, or scheming daughters-in-law who who to get out from under their mother’s domination. The guys will follow the girls.
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